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  1. #61
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    Re: Retracting my Opinion on the Female Sports Reporter

    [quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="DragonSoul"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="giantyankee1976"]this is a topic for which I could make some statements and come off a little like Clinton did...
    so here goes.

    I apologize to the women who read what follows:

    Sometimes I look at what some of you ladies wear in public and I think, "she HAS to know that she's going to get attention for wearing that."

    Attention as in good or bad.

    Today's a good example, a very nice young lady with an "onion" was on the elevator with myself and some other wolves, er, guys. Her blouse had a rather flattering V cut and her pants seemed like she was dipped into a vat of denim.

    She thought I was cute because she smiled and spoke a few words to me, and wiggled her walk/strutted right in front of me as we walked outdoors.

    Now if i was an ugly dude, like your average eagles fan, she might have been offended and embarrassed by the obvious attention she received because of what she was wearing.

    the moral:

    The Dime Piece Double Standard rears its head

    [quote user="Giantz4Life"]

    [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcf--HGqPzw&feature=player_embedded[/link]
    [/quote]



    i said damn.


    [/quote]

    IDK about anyone else, but I know sometimes I will attract attention depending on what I wear. Sometimes by design, sometimes not. Either way, doesn't bother me and the person's appearance does not change that. But it should not invite rude, inappropriate comments or suggestions. It also should not invite someone grabbing at me.

    My attire should not cause somebody to completely lose the ability to control themselves. I think guys should have the capability to refrain from doing anything but looking.
    [/quote]I think (can be wrong) most woman dress sexy/revealing/provocative to get looks, or see the guys break their necks trying to extend the view, while a few might just do it because they work hard on their body and want to show it off/enjoy it but again its still showing off.

    You cannot tell which is which, but if you dont expect to get a comment you are naive. Yet everyone should be able to control their own urges or needs without having a turrets outburst.

    Its Naive for woman who dress sexy not to think there might be a comment or action coming (which i dont approve or condone).

    Otherwise why dont all woman just where grandma undies without any thongs showing, or a 1 piece bathing suit? Its not for their girlfriends.

    I think its a huge double standard. Its like Look at me (if i find you appealing) but dont look (if i dont). I agree 100% that men need to control themselves and its not an excuse, but its not a perfect world, and in turn it should be expected as a worse case scenario, since its not a perfect world.

    Its like me going into a dark alley at night where there are drug dealers. I should be aware that I can be in danger if I decide to go their especially at that time, yet hope for the best, but if not be aware and ready to deal with it if need be. Again should i be harassed, mugged, or worse? Of course not but its not a perfect world/scenario.

    Not sure if what I am saying is coming out right, but I gave it a try. I guess woman should expect the issues, because its not a perfect world, yet its not an excuse for men or anyone to let loose. Its just an excuse for them, but many cannot control themselves, and should also be held responsible for it without any question, if they do something that breaks the law or affects the said person in a negative way.

    I agree with you that neither men nor woman need to be in the locker room right after the game, maybe 30 or 60 minutes when everyone is decent is a different story.[/quote]

    A woman walkinig into a locker room to do he job should not be expecting to be harassed. The players know that the locker room is a place of business (as strange a place as that may be for it) and should behave accordingly. Reporters in the locker room is not a new thing. You can argue all day about whether reporters belong in there (I don't think they do), but the players do know they should behave themselves.

    Don't think for a second that the people who hire these very attractive women to do these jobs don't expect them to dress in a way that shows how attractive they are, that is naive.
    [/quote]

    The locker room is not a place of business, reporters go in there to expect to see players in thier element, thats the whole purpose...If it were a place of business i doubt the media would care less about it and they would just wait until after the locker room for reactions. Its like a reporter going behind the scenes. Its like videotaping a lion in the zoo versus in the jungle....still no excuse tho, im just saying its different than usual press conferences and interviews and thats why they want to do it....

    All being said, it wasnt right...... but ill tell you right now, my daughter WILL understand what kind of dirtbags will give you harassment for certain things you might wear. Thats just the world we live in.[/quote]

    Reporters have been going into the locker rooms after games for interviews for as long as I have been alive. Should it be a place of business, heck no. However, it is. Reporters go there to get news and do interviews and the players get interviewed.
    [/quote]

    I'm sorry, i just completely disagree with you. Press conferences are not a place of business, reporters in Locker rooms have the same philosophy behind them as the papar***i. That philosophy being to catch the players raw and in thier element and ENVIRONMENT. That is the key, the press wants to see them in their environment with other players, which is not a business environment.

    Locker rooms are a place for teammates to interact prepare, get ready for a game, and then shower up and socialize after the game. The purpose of a locker room is not for the press, thats what press conferenced are for. I understand that reporters have been going into locker rooms for a while BUT just because reporters go somewhere doesn't make it a place of business for everyone else... and trust me, the press WANTS it that way.

    So my only thing is that no reporter should be allowed in the locker room. If I were a coach Id only allow NFL films, because they just document the occasion and don't technically report.

    If i go do a report about gangs in the city, so run around certain blocks getting broll and interviews then its not going to be a business environment, and i wouldn't want it to be...Its business for me, but no one else.

    But besides this disagreement, I do agree with everything else you have said on this thread. Guys need to be big boys and control themselves...[/quote]

    You can disagree with me all you want. But the NFL has set it up that the locker room is where the players and reporters do their job. That is the reality as much as you or I may disagree with it. It stopped being their environment a long time ago.
    [/quote]

    The NFL can let reporters go on the sideline too, is that a business environment? NO...come on, just because reporters are somewhere doesn't automatically make it a business environment, like i said, they want to go to these environments because of the environment itself, which is not a business environment...a locker room environment is what it is...The nfl may allow reporters in there, but that still doesn't make it a business environment...[/quote]

    For a football player the sidelines are a place of business. Wherever they are expected to represent their employer is a place of business for the player. The league expects them to provide interviews and represent the team in the locker room so they have made it a place of business. The field, practice field, press convferance, etc...all places of business.


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    Re: Retracting my Opinion on the Female Sports Reporter

    [quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"]any place where dudes ****s are hanging out is not a business environment.[/quote]

    Anyplace they are expected by their employers to represent the team or the league is a place of business.

    Not anyplace they are hanging out.

  3. #63

    Re: Retracting my Opinion on the Female Sports Reporter

    [quote user="jmike"][quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="DragonSoul"][quote user="jmike"][quote user="giantyankee1976"]this is a topic for which I could make some statements and come off a little like Clinton did...
    so here goes.

    I apologize to the women who read what follows:

    Sometimes I look at what some of you ladies wear in public and I think, "she HAS to know that she's going to get attention for wearing that."

    Attention as in good or bad.

    Today's a good example, a very nice young lady with an "onion" was on the elevator with myself and some other wolves, er, guys. Her blouse had a rather flattering V cut and her pants seemed like she was dipped into a vat of denim.

    She thought I was cute because she smiled and spoke a few words to me, and wiggled her walk/strutted right in front of me as we walked outdoors.

    Now if i was an ugly dude, like your average eagles fan, she might have been offended and embarrassed by the obvious attention she received because of what she was wearing.

    the moral:

    The Dime Piece Double Standard rears its head

    [quote user="Giantz4Life"]

    [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcf--HGqPzw&feature=player_embedded[/link]
    [/quote]



    i said damn.


    [/quote]

    IDK about anyone else, but I know sometimes I will attract attention depending on what I wear.* Sometimes by design, sometimes not.* Either way, doesn't bother me and the person's appearance does not change that.* But it should not invite rude, inappropriate comments or suggestions.* It also should not invite someone grabbing at me.

    My attire should not cause somebody to completely lose the ability to control themselves.* I think guys should have the capability to refrain from doing anything but looking.
    [/quote]I think (can be wrong) most woman dress sexy/revealing/provocative to get looks, or see the guys break their necks trying to extend the view, while a few might just do it because they work hard on their body and want to show it off/enjoy it but again its still showing off.

    You cannot tell which is which, but if you dont expect to get a comment you are naive. Yet everyone should be able to control their own urges or needs without having a turrets outburst.

    Its Naive for woman who dress sexy not to think there might be a comment or action coming (which i dont approve or condone).

    Otherwise why dont all woman just where grandma undies without any thongs showing, or a 1 piece bathing suit? Its not for their girlfriends.

    I think its a huge double standard. Its like Look at me (if i find you appealing) but dont look (if i dont). I agree 100% that men need to control themselves and its not an excuse, but its not a perfect world, and in turn it should be expected as a worse case scenario, since its not a perfect world.

    Its like me going into a dark alley at night where there are drug dealers. I should be aware that I can be in danger if I decide to go their especially at that time, yet hope for the best, but if not be aware and ready to deal with it if need be. Again should i be harassed, mugged, or worse? Of course not but its not a perfect world/scenario.

    Not sure if what I am saying is coming out right, but I gave it a try. I guess woman should expect the issues, because its not a perfect world, yet its not an excuse for men or anyone to let loose. Its just an excuse for them, but many cannot control themselves, and should also be held responsible for it without any question, if they do something that breaks the law or affects the said person in a negative way.

    I agree with you that neither men nor woman need to be in the locker room right after the game, maybe 30 or 60 minutes when everyone is decent is a different story.[/quote]

    A woman walkinig into a locker room to do he job should not be expecting to be harassed.* The players know that the locker room is a place of business (as strange a place as that may be for it) and should behave accordingly.* Reporters in the locker room is not a new thing.* You can argue all day about whether reporters belong in there (I don't think they do), but the players do know they should behave themselves.

    Don't think for a second that the people who hire these very attractive women to do these jobs don't expect them to dress in a way that shows how attractive they are, that is naive.
    [/quote]

    The locker room is not a place of business, reporters go in there to expect to see players in thier element, thats the whole purpose...If it were a place of business i doubt the media would care less about it and they would just wait until after the locker room for reactions. Its like a reporter going behind the scenes. Its like videotaping a lion in the zoo versus in the jungle....still no excuse tho, im just saying its different than usual press conferences and interviews and thats why they want to do it....

    All being said, it wasnt right...... but ill tell you right now, my daughter WILL understand what kind of dirtbags will give you harassment for certain things you might wear. Thats just the world we live in.[/quote]

    Reporters have been going into the locker rooms after games for interviews for as long as I have been alive.* Should it be a place of business, heck no.* However, it is.* Reporters go there to get news and do interviews and the players get interviewed.
    [/quote]

    I'm sorry, i just completely disagree with you. Press conferences are not a place of business, reporters in Locker rooms have the same philosophy behind them as the papar***i. That philosophy being to catch the players raw and in thier element and ENVIRONMENT. That is the key, the press wants to see them in their environment with other players, which is not a business environment.

    Locker rooms are a place for teammates to interact prepare, get ready for a game, and then shower up and socialize after the game. The purpose of a locker room is not for the press, thats what press conferenced are for. I understand that reporters have been going into locker rooms for a while BUT just because reporters go somewhere doesn't make it a place of business for everyone else... and trust me, the press WANTS it that way.

    So my only thing is that no reporter should be allowed in the locker room. If I were a coach Id only allow NFL films, because they just document the occasion and don't technically report.

    If i go do a report about gangs in the city, so run around certain blocks getting broll and interviews then its not going to be a business environment, and i wouldn't want it to be...Its business for me, but no one else.

    But besides this disagreement, I do agree with everything else you have said on this thread. Guys need to be big boys and control themselves...[/quote]

    You can disagree with me all you want.* But the NFL has set it up that the locker room is where the players and reporters do their job.* That is the reality as much as you or I may disagree with it.* It stopped being their environment a long time ago.
    [/quote]

    The NFL can let reporters go on the sideline too, is that a business environment? NO...come on, just because reporters are somewhere doesn't automatically make it a business environment, like i said, they want to go to these environments because of the environment itself, which is not a business environment...a locker room environment is what it is...The nfl may allow reporters in there, but that still doesn't make it a business environment...[/quote]

    For a football player the sidelines are a place of business.* Wherever they are expected to represent their employer is a place of business for the player.* The league expects them to provide interviews and represent the team in the locker room so they have made it a place of business.* The field, practice field, press convferance, etc...all places of business.

    [/quote]

    HAHA ok....ill drop it you win...just like my wife always wins...

  4. #64

    Re: Retracting my Opinion on the Female Sports Reporter



    [quote user="jmike"][quote user="NYGMEN_4LIFE"]any place where dudes ****s are hanging out is not a business environment.[/quote]

    Anyplace they are expected by their employers to represent the team or the league is a place of business.

    Not anyplace they are hanging out.
    [/quote]</P>


    i think he meant their junk is hangin out. lol</P>


    are you a giants fan or iggles?</P>

  5. #65

    Re: Retracting my Opinion on the Female Sports Reporter

    look......... these players acted like they have never seen a good looking woman before. They are professionals and should act as just.

  6. #66

    Re: Retracting my Opinion on the Female Sports Reporter

    [quote user="GAMEPLAN"]That was a 'woman' as in only the female of our (and I use the term most loosely) species BUT she is an ignorant bubbleheaded fool that has done a dis-service to all professional women--- dress in such a manner at the club, library or supermarket--- please--- woman are not offended by this BIMBO--- stupid girls are[/quote]
    why wasn't she professional?.........because of the way she dressed?.....stop being a prude..........by the way that reporter has her masters in law.....how bout u? You can't even master the english language.

  7. #67

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    [quote user="DragonSoul"][/quote]</P>


    omg, wow. i'll be dreaming some vivd dreams tonight, thanks, lol.</P>

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