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    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfarmer View Post
    The two guys ahead of Beckham had great hands too. Evans in particular came away with more contested catches than I can remember. Beckham has the higher drop rate among the three.
    That's one way to look at it. Drop percentage is a misleading stat. It's one thing to catch a screen, another to catch a 20+ yard bomb.

    I think as some suggest, that the best way to see future success, is to see if those players had that same success in college. So here is catch rate by distance from the top prospects :



    http://secondroundstats.com/?p=529

    So you can see ODB has the highest percentage (66%) on passes over 10 yards. The fact that ODB made his living catching deeper than other guys - you can expect more drops.

    You are right about JJ though. I went back to the draft profiles and most agreed. However, Randle could be a better plucker. It's just he is inconsistent. That's more a product of work ethic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gurujot View Post
    Beckahm wasnt the consensus #3 receiver, he has superior route running and leaps higher than Mike Evans some pundits had him as the highest in draft as well as many that had him at 2
    show me the link where some had Beckham ahead of Evans and I will believe that

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurujot View Post
    Beckahm wasnt the consensus #3 receiver, he has superior route running and leaps higher than Mike Evans some pundits had him as the highest in draft as well as many that had him at 2
    I understand we all love ODB now that he is a Giant and I do suspect he will be a good player and will fit what we do here.

    However, I spent a lot of time reading scouting reports, watching film, reading mocks and explanations etc.

    Never once, that I can recall, this entire offseason heading into the draft did I see any analyst predict ODB going higher than Evans. I saw a couple with Evans over Watkins but as far as I can recall nobody had him behind ODB.

    You are correct in that he was not a consensus #3 WR, but that is because some had him as 4th and even 5th, not 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSanta View Post
    I understand we all love ODB now that he is a Giant and I do suspect he will be a good player and will fit what we do here.

    However, I spent a lot of time reading scouting reports, watching film, reading mocks and explanations etc.

    Never once, that I can recall, this entire offseason heading into the draft did I see any analyst predict ODB going higher than Evans. I saw a couple with Evans over Watkins but as far as I can recall nobody had him behind ODB.

    You are correct in that he was not a consensus #3 WR, but that is because some had him as 4th and even 5th, not 2nd.
    Simply not true. Greg Cosell from NFL films had ODB as the second in his personal rankings. As did many teams in the top 10 this year. Im far too lazy to post links but a google search will confirm both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainierjef View Post
    show me the link where some had Beckham ahead of Evans and I will believe that
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jet...he-jets-select

    http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs...6-a7053fc40db8
    (look at what Gil Brandt and Pete Prisco had to say)

    thats pullled from the first page of google proabably could find more

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    I really dont give a **** what the stats or analcysts say. The proof will be on the field and also if OB is a great player for the Gmen then it matters not what Evans does or doesnt do.
    Its all speculation at this point anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by gurujot View Post
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jet...he-jets-select

    http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs...6-a7053fc40db8
    (look at what Gil Brandt and Pete Prisco had to say)

    thats pullled from the first page of google proabably could find more
    Here is Gil Brandt's pre draft player rankings.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...2014-nfl-draft


    Mike Evans is # 7
    ODB is # 15

    Here is Pete Prisco's pre draft Mock

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/m...rt/pete-prisco

    He predicted Evans to go 7th and ODB 15th.


    As to your Jets link, Rich Cimini he covers the Jets for ESPNnewyork.com. He is not an NFL analyst, he is a blogger. That is hardly an opinion that verifies your claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGYgiant View Post
    Simply not true. Greg Cosell from NFL films had ODB as the second in his personal rankings. As did many teams in the top 10 this year. Im far too lazy to post links but a google search will confirm both.
    I've seen a lot of Cosell's stuff this offseason. It is true he liked ODB and he wasn't as high on Evans as some others. But I can find no link to anything where he has ODB as the #2 ranked WR. In fact, near as I can find, he has Watkins as the clear #1 and says the 2nd best guy, in his opinion might be FSU's Kelvin Benjamin, followed by Evans.

    However, his rankings are hard to discern because he categorizes them into groups ei Big WRs, Precision WRs, and speed guys. He did have ODB as the 2nd ranked precision guy though. Considering how he said Watkins was the clear #1 wr and how he had ODB as the #2 precision guy behind LEE, I do not see how it is mathmatically possible for Cosell to have him as the #2 WR in the draft.

    Perhaps I am missing something? Could you provide a link?

    *edit* Ok I just found this article by Cosell. He is explaining why ODB might be a better pick for the bucs despite "evans being a consensus better overall player"

    http://www.bucsnation.com/2014/5/6/5...the-buccaneers

    So no. Cosell absolutely did not have ODB over Evans. He clearly calls Evans the better overall player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gurujot View Post
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jet...he-jets-select

    http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs...6-a7053fc40db8
    (look at what Gil Brandt and Pete Prisco had to say)

    thats pullled from the first page of google proabably could find more
    Bro…

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap20...14-draft-class

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...prospects-list

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...ad-draft-class

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...am-should-take

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...z-into-round-1

    1. You posted a link of who the Jets would pick at 18, which is a horrible reference since that writer thinks OBJ is a 15-20 prospect, but goes on to say that he thinks he is the better of the two? He… then goes on to make a mock and homerishly mocks OBJ at the Jets pick with Evans who in his mind is Inferior to OBJ at 9.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...-final-version

    2. In any of the mocks from version 1.0-3.0 for Gil Bandt is OBJ>M.Evans nor for Prisco.

    I am sorry but it is a pet peeve of mines when people just click on the first online source that seems convenient to their argument without doing the necessary research. I have looked at a lot of mocks, top 50-100's and I cannot recall one where Evans was rated lower than OBJ. I have seen him 3rd behind Lee/Watkins but never 3rd behind OBJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainierjef View Post
    Bro…

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap20...14-draft-class

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...prospects-list

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...ad-draft-class

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...am-should-take

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...z-into-round-1

    1. You posted a link of who the Jets would pick at 18, which is a horrible reference since that writer thinks OBJ is a 15-20 prospect, but goes on to say that he thinks he is the better of the two? He… then goes on to make a mock and homerishly mocks OBJ at the Jets pick with Evans who in his mind is Inferior to OBJ at 9.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...-final-version

    2. In any of the mocks from version 1.0-3.0 for Gil Bandt is OBJ>M.Evans nor for Prisco.

    I am sorry but it is a pet peeve of mines when people just click on the first online source that seems convenient to their argument without doing the necessary research. I have looked at a lot of mocks, top 50-100's and I cannot recall one where Evans was rated lower than OBJ. I have seen him 3rd behind Lee/Watkins but never 3rd behind OBJ.
    I know when to admit Im wrong, this may be situation where I did talk a bit out of my ***

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