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    I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research



    4. New York Giants



    Three of the
    five scouts listed the Giants among their top five, with one
    listing New York's crew as the second-best in the NFL. General
    manager Jerry Reese was highlighted by two of them, with one scout also
    acknowledging Jerry Shay, a former Giants' defensive tackle and a
    scout for the club since 1973.



    Since hiring
    Reese to take over for Ernie Accorsi in 2007, the Giants have won a
    Super Bowl and have never finished a season with a losing record.
    Those facts speak for themselves. Perhaps most impressive,
    however, has been the Giants' drafting. Reese's first draft class in
    2007 played a huge role in their winning the Super Bowl a year later.
    While some teams talk about building through the draft and
    ignoring the high costs and bust rates of veteran free agency, the
    Giants have lived it. Of their current starters, only Eli Manning
    (acquired in a draft day trade with San Diego), OT Kareem
    McKenzie, FS Antrel Rolle and LB Michael Boley weren't drafted by
    the Giants.


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    Re: I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research

    Heres the Entire Article for whoever wants to read it




    Ask any NFL employee and they'll tell you that for all of the
    money that goes into contracts for head coaches and players, the
    scouting department is the life blood of any successful team.




    Sure, some clubs are built into playoff contenders because they
    hit on a few first-round picks or spend wisely in free agency.
    Most do so by building from within and finding the proverbial
    diamonds in the rough during the middle and later rounds of the
    draft, as well as undrafted free agency.



    Just
    scouting and drafting well, however, doesn't necessarily translate
    into victories. Coaches have to be able to draw the peak-level talent
    and effort from the players they've been given. Players have to
    perform and remain healthy.



    Perhaps the most
    critical element to success in the NFL is communication between
    the scouting department and the coaching staff. By understanding
    precisely the physical and mental characteristics coaches are looking
    for, scouts are able to find the top-rated prospects for their
    clubs' unique schemes, rather than simply taking the man widely
    viewed as the best available player.



    To assess
    just which scouting departments are the best in the league,
    NFLDraftScout.com asked the only people who would really know -- the
    scouts, themselves.



    A panel of five individual
    talent evaluators ranging from area scouts to general managers
    agreed to identify the five best scouting departments in the NFL.
    They were asked to largely ignore the team's overall record or
    thoughts on the coaching staff in their assessment, and instead focus
    on reliability, longevity and consistency of the scouting
    department. The scouts, whose identities are protected, were not
    allowed to choose the teams in which they are currently employed.



    Their answers may surprise you...



    The Top Five Scouting Departments:



    5. Jacksonville Jaguars




    Two of the five scouts asked listed the Jaguars' scouting
    department among the top five groups in the league. Another did
    not list Jacksonville among his top five. He did peg Jacksonville
    as the NFL's most underrated unit.



    Asked to
    explain the selection, one high level scout summarized: "[General
    manager] Gene Smith worked his way up through the organization. He
    can make his own opinions but respects the work done by his
    staff. [The Jaguars] aren't afraid to go after the small school
    players, which requires guts and an eye for talent. They've also got one
    of the better scouts in the business in Tim Mingey, who won the
    C.O. Brocato award last year as the Hall of Fame's Scout of the
    Year."



    Prior to 2009, when Smith was hired, the
    Jaguars had developed a reputation for gambling on athletic
    upside. This led to busts with defensive ends Derrick Harvey and
    Quentin Groves, as well as 2008 first-round pick safety Reggie
    Nelson.



    Since then, the Jaguars seem to have hit on
    their first round picks, though quarterback Blaine Gabbert,
    offensive lineman Eben Britton and certainly defensive end Tyson
    Alualu were panned by some. The Jaguars have also been
    extraordinarily successful in the middle rounds, finding starters
    DT Terrance Knighton, WR Mike Thomas, DE Derek Cox and OG Will
    Rackley in the third round or later since 2009.



    4. New York Giants




    Three of the five scouts listed the Giants among their top five,
    with one listing New York's crew as the second-best in the NFL.
    General manager Jerry Reese was highlighted by two of them, with
    one scout also acknowledging Jerry Shay, a former Giants'
    defensive tackle and a scout for the club since 1973.




    Since hiring Reese to take over for Ernie Accorsi in 2007, the
    Giants have won a Super Bowl and have never finished a season with
    a losing record. Those facts speak for themselves. Perhaps most
    impressive, however, has been the Giants' drafting. Reese's first
    draft class in 2007 played a huge role in their winning the Super
    Bowl a year later. While some teams talk about building through
    the draft and ignoring the high costs and bust rates of veteran
    free agency, the Giants have lived it. Of their current starters,
    only Eli Manning (acquired in a draft day trade with San Diego),
    OT Kareem McKenzie, FS Antrel Rolle and LB Michael Boley weren't
    drafted by the Giants.



    3. Pittsburgh Steelers



    Four of the five scouts listed the Steelers among the NFL's elite.




    Kevin Colbert, the first officially recognized general manager in
    the history of the Pittsburgh Steelers has been with the
    organization since 2000, when he was hired away from the Detroit
    Lions as the team's director of football operations. Pittsburgh is
    perhaps best known for the Steel Curtain defense, but rival
    scouts recognized Colbert and his staff for their forward thinking
    on the offensive side of the ball every bit as much as their
    collaboration with Pittsburgh's defensive-minded head coaches --
    Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin -- during Colbert's tenure.




    Said one scout, "Colbert is such a good scout in his own right, but
    what the Steelers do as well as any team in the league is work
    hand-in-hand with the coaching staff. Their scouts know exactly
    what traits their coaches are looking for in players."




    The working relationship shows. Statistics can be bent in lots of
    ways to prove a point, but this one requires little explanation.
    In the 10 years Colbert worked in Detroit, the Lions went to the
    playoffs five times. Since he left, they haven't been back. The
    Steelers, on the other hand, have gone to the playoffs seven of
    the past 11 years, reached the AFC Championship game five times
    and have won two Super Bowls.



    2. Baltimore Ravens




    Four of the five scouts polled listed the Baltimore Ravens as one
    of the NFL's top five scouting departments. General manager Ozzie
    Newsome gets most of the credit -- and according to those
    questioned, he deserves it.



    "Newsome is a so savvy.
    He reads the board well and doesn't chase needs. That's why he's
    had so many stars fall into his lap. He follows the
    best-player-available strategy and gets good football players every
    time."



    One scout also mentioned that Eric DeCosta,
    who now serves as Baltimore's director of player personnel after
    serving six years as the team's Scouting Director, should be a GM
    by now. DeCosta has interviewed for such jobs, and reportedly was a
    prime target of the Oakland Raiders this week.




    Since the move to Baltimore, Newsome has helped the Ravens' staff
    become arguably the NFL's most consistent talent evaluators. In
    their first ever draft, they landed future Hall of Famers Jonathan
    Ogden and Ray Lewis. Including linebacker Bart Scott, who was
    signed as an undrafted free agent, the Ravens have produced 14
    "homegrown" Pro Bowl players in just 15 seasons. It is also
    important to note that unlike the other teams on this list,
    Baltimore scouts independently and is not a current member of
    either of the two scouting services used by most other NFL teams
    to help narrow the search for new talent.



    1. Green Bay Packers




    Playing well this season as the defending Super Bowl champs,
    perhaps it isn't much of a surprise that the Packers head this
    list.



    It is interesting that Green Bay's scouting
    department, led by general manager Ted Thompson, was nominated by
    all five poll participants.



    Three of the scouts listed Green Bay first.




    Thompson has long been recognized in scouting circles as one of
    the better and more committed talent scouts in the business. Like
    Pittsburgh's Kevin Colbert, Thompson was acknowledged by peers not
    only for the success he has had with his current team, but his
    former team, as well. Prior to re-signing with Green Bay, Thompson
    followed Mike Holmgren to Seattle. Thompson, according to one
    scout, was instrumental in his role as the Seahawks' vice
    president of football operations in helping Seattle reach Super
    Bowl XL. Many credit Thompson with recognizing the talent he had
    in Aaron Rodgers and not allowing Brett Favre's past to guide the
    Packers' pursuit of future success. Similar gambles on B.J. Raji,
    Clay Matthews, James Starks, Jermichael Finley and even backup
    quarterback Matt Flynn have already paid off.




    "What's scary is that the [scouting department] has helped the Packers
    build the deepest, most talented team in the league. Thompson is
    running the show for the Super Bowl champs, so he's king of the
    hill -- and he may stay there for awhile."



    Rob Rang is a Senior Analyst for NFLDraftScout.com.



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    List seems pretty credible until you get to jville. I mean really? 5th

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    Re: I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research

    I do not agree with the so called experts. Draft picks look great on paper but on field performance is what matters. With (1) exception name draft picks that play a consistent major role. The Giant draft picks spend more time hurt than healthy. Nicks, Beatty, Prince, Kiwi, Manningham, All the selected LB's have spent significant time on IR or missed games. I would like to know what the criteria used for evaluating the draft was.

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    Re: I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research

    2009 & 2010 draft were horrendous.....

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    Re: I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research

    I like Rob Rang. Knowledgable dude.

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    Re: I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research

    [quote user="myles2424"]2009 & 2010 draft were horrendous.....[/quote] what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty Barden(coming along now that healthy) Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !

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    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="myles2424"]2009 & 2010 draft were horrendous.....[/quote]* what? I coulden't dissagree more!** Prince*** JPP**** Nicks Beatty****** Barden(coming along now that healthy)** Joseph*** and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us***** If guys like Goff** Chad Jones** TT* Austin could of stayed healthy***** I think our teams Completely diffrent right now!**** Reese is a* awesome drafting Gm !
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    Prince was 2011. 2010/2009 had good 1st round picks in both obviously, but no late round value. I wouldn't say horrendous since we got players who will be pro bowlers in both, but most of the guys drafted in those years aren't even on the roster anymore. Pretty bad considering how recent it was.

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    Re: I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research

    [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="myles2424"]2009 & 2010 draft were horrendous.....[/quote] what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty Barden(coming along now that healthy) Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !
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    Prince was 2011. 2010/2009 had good 1st round picks in both obviously, but no late round value. I wouldn't say horrendous since we got players who will be pro bowlers in both, but most of the guys drafted in those years aren't even on the roster anymore. Pretty bad considering how recent it was.[/quote] Not really If anything its tough for guys to make it when u got so many Draft picks on the team all ready and are securing talented Undraft Free Agents to boot Everyone can't be on the team or you'd have 100guys on the team When your drafting guys like Terrell Thomas Jason Pierre Paul mario Nicks Bradshaw Kiwi Goff Boss Prince Linval Barden Beatty and finding sick Undrafted free agents like Victor Cruz and also Bruce Johnson and of course we don't even know about guys like Chad Jones and Austin Then u throw in guys like James Brewer and Petrus who could be good and i loved both picks and its just utterly insane! Injuries if anything give people there only Ammo against Reese's drafts If anything all his success with drafts leads to other draft picks not making the team Of course every now and again hes gonna not hit on a Late Rd draft pick but at least in 2010 he added Victor Cruz(another guy i loved right from the jump and thought he'd make the team) So i'd say that kinda makes up for it lol

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    Re: I always rave about reeses drafts and look who Agrees! Top 4 in the NFL according to CBS research

    Jerry Reese can flat out draft! End of story!

    AFTER FURTHER REVIEW: Reeseís strong drafts reason Giants in playoffs




















    12:01 PM, January 3, 2012
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    By JUSTIN TERRANOVA



    Jerry Reese is the guy who before the season starter
    guaranteed the Giants would make the playoffs, the guy who was taking a
    lot of the criticism for a quiet offseason, and the guy whose job would
    have been called into question had the Giants not fulfilled his
    preseason prediction.




    Heís also the guy whose drafting ability is the reason the Giants are
    the NFC East champs and playing host to the Falcons on Sunday.




    In 2007 when the Giants won the Super Bowl it was seventh-round
    unknown rookie Ahmad Bradshaw who emerged at the end of the season and
    helped carry the Giants into the playoffs and beyond.




    This year itís two players from the 2010 draft who have become the
    most important on the Giants outside of quarterback Eli Manning. Reeseís
    first-round pick was Jason Pierre-Paul, who had played football one
    year at South Florida, and defensive end was one position the Giants had
    depth at with Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka all
    high-level players. But the Giants took Pierre-Paul with the 13th pick
    anyway, and he has become the teamís best defensive player in his second
    season.




    But Reeseís best decision came after the draft when he signed Victor
    Cruz out of UMass. The New Jersey native immediately impressed with 297
    receiving yards in the Giantsí 2010 preseason opening victory over the
    Jets, but after playing sparingly in the regular season, Cruz hurt his
    hamstring and was put on injured reserve. Cruz has come back this year
    as a star. With Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham battling nagging
    injuries, Cruz has been the one receiving constant for a Giants team
    that also lost Steve Smith to the Eagles.




    It was the departure of Smith and tight end Kevin Boss that had
    Giants fans struggling to understand the teamís post-lockout plan. Their
    big free agent signing was center David Baas, while the Jets were
    making splashes with the re-signing of Santonio Holmes and adding of
    Plaxico Burress, who spurned a Giants reunion.




    Injuries to key players on the Giants defense (Prince Amukamara,
    Terrell Thomas, Jonathan Goff) was also a reason for trepidation. It was
    Reeseís strong 2011 draft that helped patch up that defense with rookie
    linebackers Jacquian Williams (sixth round), Greg Jones (sixth round)
    and Mark Herzlich (undrafted) all playing meaningful time. The defense
    was vulnerable at times, but played its best football the final two
    weeks of the season to beat the Jets and Cowboys and win the NFC East.




    They have Reese to thank for that. The Giants GM puts his stamp on
    this team during Aprilís draft, not the free-agent period, and itís the
    reason the Giants were able to survive crippling injuries and get back
    to the playoffs for the first time in three years.



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