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    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

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    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]




    Yeah theres still almost 2 more weeks U will put up another one. I like the late roundCenters in this draft . . If the Giants wait I think they can get afuture starter late . RB has good value later as well. The Giants should be able to grab a 3rd down back later as well.

    [/quote] Ya, i like the Late Rd C's as well.. I didn't even put guys like Zane Taylor on there, whos another later rd C/G that could help someone.. It almost makes u wonder if its worth taking one early this yr, as theres so many players that have good solid ability at the C positon that will be around in RD 7...
    Theres a Ton of T/G prospects or G/C prospects this yr, versatile o-lineman, which i'm sure that makes Coughlin and Reese extremely happy.. U know how they like there lineman to be able to play multiple positons, and jeez, starting at Mike POuncey and Stef Wisnewski, and D.love, and J.Carpenter, and Orlando Franklin, and i could litteraly name another 20guys, so many versatile olineman this yr...

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    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
    [/quote]well those are guys i really like regardless of where they are drafted but yes i try and spot the hidden gems. very late round to udfa. to each his own

  3. #203

    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
    [/quote]
    i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.

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    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
    [/quote]
    i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
    [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?

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    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
    [/quote]well those are guys i really like regardless of where they are drafted but yes i try and spot the hidden gems. very late round to udfa. to each his own
    [/quote] Ya, i just like to find sleepers, mixed throughout the 4-7 range, and a few guys who i think are sleepers, that get picked alittle higher then where people think now, as well.. I'm doing a Mock Draft on "draft debacled" right now, and let me tell u, its incredibly hard to get all these guys where u think they belong... I'm midway through the 4th rightnow, and just had Kendall Hunter go to the 9ers, let alone, bilal powell... I mean, its hard because theres so many teams that need certain players, and not RB"s, so if u gotta guy whos 8th on the RB list, theres a good chance, hes not going till rd 5... I just like to find guys throughout the draft, that are gonnna make a impact,in my opinon, as long as there not guranteed top 2round guys, all though, i made a exception for Colin, because hes so raw, and was my SLEEPER way before he went up to 2nd rd status

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    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    Ok you know your stuff, I have most of the same players as sleepers

  7. #207

    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
    [/quote]
    i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
    [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
    [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.

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    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
    [/quote]
    i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
    [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
    [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
    [/quote] so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..

  9. #209

    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)



    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
    [/quote]
    i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
    [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
    [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
    [/quote] so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..
    [/quote]




    I will always take a Wisconsin O-lineman on my team. I love Peter Konz the Center


  10. #210

    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
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    i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
    [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
    [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
    [/quote] so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..
    [/quote]. I never said if a player doesnt do well on the bench then i automatically dont like them i said I PREFER PLAYER THAT DEMONSTRATES GOOD STRENGTH ON THE BENCH. yes a bench is an indicator of that and yes arm length does play a role as do many other factors. You dont have to kill the bench press to be strong (although it helps) but you have to kill it to have good endurance and that's mainly what i look for. when a defenseive player slams into an olineman the olineman has to push him off which sounds a lot like what? thaaats riiight a bench press if an olineman get tired oafter 20 reps on a bench then how long before he is not effectively keeping players at bay in a game? if you think the bench isnt important, good dont pay attention to it, i do think its important. Did moffit fall a little in my eyes after puttin up 23 reps and running a 5.5 at the bine? yes,

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