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    Dwayne Allen vs Auburn 2011




    Great performance from Dwayne Allen. He is the best2 wayTE in this class. Going to have to seperate these guys into TE and H-Backs. Cant compare a guy like Orson Charles to Dwayne Allen they arent the same player.







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    Hey Ty Redi.








    Im a big fan of this kids too. I would love to see this kid in blue




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    Yeah he is a good player one of the few TE's where I dont have to search for blocking plays


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    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"]I thought Moore is 6'1? If his height is listed correctly then yes he is comparable to all 3 as he is a tad taller than brees and flutie and a tad shorter than Chad. I'm nit like some I don't see a HUGE advantage of 3 inches in height. You can play or you can't and I really feel ge can. His weight is a concern and like you I'd like to see a little more power in his throws but I love this kid as a development for a west coast offense.[/quote]i totally agree/ Hes got the It factor that u can't teach/ Redeye will always be a "specific HT/WT/Strength/Speed" or your not aking it guy LOL I think Kellen has a chance to slip through the cracks and go in RD 5 because people don't want to iss out on a possible future WINNER
    [/quote]If I was just taking his height and weight into consideration I wouldnt like Aaron Murray. Moore can not spin the ball. He has no velocity on his throws thats a major problem for a QB in the NFL. Kellen Moore is nothing like Drew Brees or Chad Pennington watch the intermediate throws he has nowhere near the pace on his ball. He also has a rather big hitch in his throw. Wasted motion , no pace on his throws, no mobility, and yes he is extremely undersized.He is not 6'1". He is listed at 6'0 on Boise States site which means he is most likely 5'11. I love how Brees name comes up everytime an undersized QB puts up numbers. Here are some names that are closer to the Truth Colt Brennan, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrel these guys are more like Moores tape but everyone focus on the one guy thatsgreat not the 100's that are out of the NFL without ever taking a regular season snap. Seriously whats more likely Kellen Moore is Drew Brees? or what Im saying and Kellen Moore is Colt Brennan?[/quote]protypical qb numbers are great but what he has is an outstanding football IQ and can read a defense as good as any ive seen. If he is 5'11 that would really suck because nobody will look at him.
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    Its not just his height again why dont u guys understand that. Yes he is short but look how he throws the ball. Aaron Murray is 6'0" tall but he has a very high quick delivery. Kellen Moore brings the ball down before bringing it back up to throw the football. This makes for a very long, very low extended release.This will lead to turnovers and believe it or not those extra100th's of a secondsmake a huge deal in the NFL . College QB's get huge amounts of space and time to throw the football . He gets nice large throwing lanes to throw through at Boise these dont exist in the NFL. Its one thing to be accurate when u have window its another to throw the ball over a blitzing LB.On tape u can see Mooreis very good at reading collegedefenses to anticipate openings.Its his best trait andcould allow him to get a backup job in the NFL. It will certainly allow him to play in the UFL or CFL.In the NFL the game moves at 3 times the pacegetting by on anticipation alone is not enoughU need to be able to spin it and this is where Kellen Moore is at his weakest. Kellen can simply not make all the throws that are needed to be a starting NFL QB. Even in a West Coast offense he simply does not put enough velocity on the ball. He can not drive the ball through coverage in tight windows that are needed to be a West Coast QB . Could he be drafted? Probably, Someone will take him in the 6th round. His ability to read a defense will be helpful as a clipboard holder. How about he could be Ty Detmer if everything breaks his way how does that sound is that a fair grade. He played 14 years as a back up




    [/quote] again i dissagree I think if he is given a chance he will adapt to the league and learn how to succeed because i honestly believe hes just flat out good at the game of football and will simply succeed because of it I'm not all about the this and that all the time with prospects sometimes i just have a feeling about players and often i've been correct about them We shall see but i gurantee hes drafted and i think probably between 3rd-5th round area before the 6th
    [/quote]well said and i can attest to that. sometimes you watch a player and while you may not be "WOW" you just have a feeling this kid can play. sometimes your right sometimes your wrong. sometimes players actually become much better than their college play leads you to believe. moore is one of those players for me this year (also like griffin but need to see more of him) just like tyrod taylor last year.
    [/quote]I think Moore is a wow player just a wow College player. Its not just if they are successful, its how they are successful. The NFL and College game are nothing alike, its the translating skill sets that matter . College production u cant take with u to the NFL but a 6'5" 230 pound QB with a laser rocket arm u can.




    Griffin. way more physically talented then Moore its not even close. He has size ,speedand an arm. Griffin has high pick franchise QBpotential. Will he reach that status im not sure he has flaws n his game that need to be worked out but he has that ceiling. Kellen Moore does not have franchise QB ceiling. He could have a longer career as a backup because he can read defenses but he doesnt have the same potential. Its on thing to be flawed in one area Moore has multiple flaws.


  3. #343

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    [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"]I thought Moore is 6'1? If his height is listed correctly then yes he is comparable to all 3 as he is a tad taller than brees and flutie and a tad shorter than Chad. I'm nit like some I don't see a HUGE advantage of 3 inches in height. You can play or you can't and I really feel ge can. His weight is a concern and like you I'd like to see a little more power in his throws but I love this kid as a development for a west coast offense.[/quote]i totally agree/ Hes got the It factor that u can't teach/ Redeye will always be a "specific HT/WT/Strength/Speed" or your not aking it guy LOL I think Kellen has a chance to slip through the cracks and go in RD 5 because people don't want to iss out on a possible future WINNER
    [/quote]If I was just taking his height and weight into consideration I wouldnt like Aaron Murray. Moore can not spin the ball. He has no velocity on his throws thats a major problem for a QB in the NFL. Kellen Moore is nothing like Drew Brees or Chad Pennington watch the intermediate throws he has nowhere near the pace on his ball. He also has a rather big hitch in his throw. Wasted motion , no pace on his throws, no mobility, and yes he is extremely undersized.He is not 6'1". He is listed at 6'0 on Boise States site which means he is most likely 5'11. I love how Brees name comes up everytime an undersized QB puts up numbers. Here are some names that are closer to the Truth Colt Brennan, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrel these guys are more like Moores tape but everyone focus on the one guy thatsgreat not the 100's that are out of the NFL without ever taking a regular season snap. Seriously whats more likely Kellen Moore is Drew Brees? or what Im saying and Kellen Moore is Colt Brennan?[/quote]protypical qb numbers are great but what he has is an outstanding football IQ and can read a defense as good as any ive seen. If he is 5'11 that would really suck because nobody will look at him.
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    Its not just his height again why dont u guys understand that. Yes he is short but look how he throws the ball. Aaron Murray is 6'0" tall but he has a very high quick delivery. Kellen Moore brings the ball down before bringing it back up to throw the football. This makes for a very long, very low extended release.This will lead to turnovers and believe it or not those extra100th's of a secondsmake a huge deal in the NFL . College QB's get huge amounts of space and time to throw the football . He gets nice large throwing lanes to throw through at Boise these dont exist in the NFL. Its one thing to be accurate when u have window its another to throw the ball over a blitzing LB.On tape u can see Mooreis very good at reading collegedefenses to anticipate openings.Its his best trait andcould allow him to get a backup job in the NFL. It will certainly allow him to play in the UFL or CFL.In the NFL the game moves at 3 times the pacegetting by on anticipation alone is not enoughU need to be able to spin it and this is where Kellen Moore is at his weakest. Kellen can simply not make all the throws that are needed to be a starting NFL QB. Even in a West Coast offense he simply does not put enough velocity on the ball. He can not drive the ball through coverage in tight windows that are needed to be a West Coast QB . Could he be drafted? Probably, Someone will take him in the 6th round. His ability to read a defense will be helpful as a clipboard holder. How about he could be Ty Detmer if everything breaks his way how does that sound is that a fair grade. He played 14 years as a back up




    [/quote] again i dissagree I think if he is given a chance he will adapt to the league and learn how to succeed because i honestly believe hes just flat out good at the game of football and will simply succeed because of it I'm not all about the this and that all the time with prospects sometimes i just have a feeling about players and often i've been correct about them We shall see but i gurantee hes drafted and i think probably between 3rd-5th round area before the 6th
    [/quote]well said and i can attest to that. sometimes you watch a player and while you may not be "WOW" you just have a feeling this kid can play. sometimes your right sometimes your wrong. sometimes players actually become much better than their college play leads you to believe. moore is one of those players for me this year (also like griffin but need to see more of him) just like tyrod taylor last year.
    [/quote]I think Moore is a wow player just a wow College player. Its not just if they are successful, its how they are successful. The NFL and College game are nothing alike, its the translating skill sets that matter . College production u cant take with u to the NFL but a 6'5" 230 pound QB with a laser rocket arm u can.




    Griffin. way more physically talented then Moore its not even close. He has size ,speedand an arm. Griffin has high pick franchise QBpotential. Will he reach that status im not sure he has flaws n his game that need to be worked out but he has that ceiling. Kellen Moore does not have franchise QB ceiling. He could have a longer career as a backup because he can read defenses but he doesnt have the same potential. Its on thing to be flawed in one area Moore has multiple flaws.

    [/quote]i think your REALLY underestimating his arm strength. ive seen him sling it in there many times. does he have a flacco arm no but agin i think his arm strength is just fine. as for the "hitch" in his windup, that can be corrected with coaching.

  4. #344

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    any TY hilton vids coming?

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    [quote user="thegreatone"]any TY hilton vids coming?
    [/quote]Thanks for reminding me I meant toask yesterday what the deal was with that.I wasnt supposed to do the game but Alo is slacking on it. I want to dothe Louisville 6'8"TE Chichester as well. He had a real good game

  6. #346

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    [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Vontaze Burfict vs Illinois 2011[/quote]U guys look at this. His tape has been meh the 2 games ive seen

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    Re: 2012 Draft Film Room

    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"]I thought Moore is 6'1? If his height is listed correctly then yes he is comparable to all 3 as he is a tad taller than brees and flutie and a tad shorter than Chad. I'm nit like some I don't see a HUGE advantage of 3 inches in height. You can play or you can't and I really feel ge can. His weight is a concern and like you I'd like to see a little more power in his throws but I love this kid as a development for a west coast offense.[/quote]i totally agree/ Hes got the It factor that u can't teach/ Redeye will always be a "specific HT/WT/Strength/Speed" or your not aking it guy LOL I think Kellen has a chance to slip through the cracks and go in RD 5 because people don't want to iss out on a possible future WINNER
    [/quote]If I was just taking his height and weight into consideration I wouldnt like Aaron Murray. Moore can not spin the ball. He has no velocity on his throws thats a major problem for a QB in the NFL. Kellen Moore is nothing like Drew Brees or Chad Pennington watch the intermediate throws he has nowhere near the pace on his ball. He also has a rather big hitch in his throw. Wasted motion , no pace on his throws, no mobility, and yes he is extremely undersized.He is not 6'1". He is listed at 6'0 on Boise States site which means he is most likely 5'11. I love how Brees name comes up everytime an undersized QB puts up numbers. Here are some names that are closer to the Truth Colt Brennan, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrel these guys are more like Moores tape but everyone focus on the one guy thatsgreat not the 100's that are out of the NFL without ever taking a regular season snap. Seriously whats more likely Kellen Moore is Drew Brees? or what Im saying and Kellen Moore is Colt Brennan?[/quote]protypical qb numbers are great but what he has is an outstanding football IQ and can read a defense as good as any ive seen. If he is 5'11 that would really suck because nobody will look at him.
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    Its not just his height again why dont u guys understand that. Yes he is short but look how he throws the ball. Aaron Murray is 6'0" tall but he has a very high quick delivery. Kellen Moore brings the ball down before bringing it back up to throw the football. This makes for a very long, very low extended release.This will lead to turnovers and believe it or not those extra100th's of a secondsmake a huge deal in the NFL . College QB's get huge amounts of space and time to throw the football . He gets nice large throwing lanes to throw through at Boise these dont exist in the NFL. Its one thing to be accurate when u have window its another to throw the ball over a blitzing LB.On tape u can see Mooreis very good at reading collegedefenses to anticipate openings.Its his best trait andcould allow him to get a backup job in the NFL. It will certainly allow him to play in the UFL or CFL.In the NFL the game moves at 3 times the pacegetting by on anticipation alone is not enoughU need to be able to spin it and this is where Kellen Moore is at his weakest. Kellen can simply not make all the throws that are needed to be a starting NFL QB. Even in a West Coast offense he simply does not put enough velocity on the ball. He can not drive the ball through coverage in tight windows that are needed to be a West Coast QB . Could he be drafted? Probably, Someone will take him in the 6th round. His ability to read a defense will be helpful as a clipboard holder. How about he could be Ty Detmer if everything breaks his way how does that sound is that a fair grade. He played 14 years as a back up




    [/quote] again i dissagree I think if he is given a chance he will adapt to the league and learn how to succeed because i honestly believe hes just flat out good at the game of football and will simply succeed because of it I'm not all about the this and that all the time with prospects sometimes i just have a feeling about players and often i've been correct about them We shall see but i gurantee hes drafted and i think probably between 3rd-5th round area before the 6th
    [/quote]well said and i can attest to that. sometimes you watch a player and while you may not be "WOW" you just have a feeling this kid can play. sometimes your right sometimes your wrong. sometimes players actually become much better than their college play leads you to believe. moore is one of those players for me this year (also like griffin but need to see more of him) just like tyrod taylor last year.
    [/quote]I think Moore is a wow player just a wow College player. Its not just if they are successful, its how they are successful. The NFL and College game are nothing alike, its the translating skill sets that matter . College production u cant take with u to the NFL but a 6'5" 230 pound QB with a laser rocket arm u can.




    Griffin. way more physically talented then Moore its not even close. He has size ,speedand an arm. Griffin has high pick franchise QBpotential. Will he reach that status im not sure he has flaws n his game that need to be worked out but he has that ceiling. Kellen Moore does not have franchise QB ceiling. He could have a longer career as a backup because he can read defenses but he doesnt have the same potential. Its on thing to be flawed in one area Moore has multiple flaws.

    [/quote]i think your REALLY underestimating his arm strength. ive seen him sling it in there many times. does he have a flacco arm no but agin i think his arm strength is just fine. as for the "hitch" in his windup, that can be corrected with coaching.
    [/quote]ya I don't really notice a huge lack of arM strength either Sure its not like hes got JaMarcus Russell ArM strength but hes got enough of a arM to be successful in that aspect thats for sure I liken hiM to Andy Dalton a kid who is just very sMart and savy and is just good at football There is way to Many stupid players in the NFL where a player that has savy and sMarts and anticipates and can flat out fool defenders is going to succeed Sure dalton weighs upwards to 20lbs on kellen and has a inch or 2 on hiM but i think Moore can be every bit as successful and people May be suprised at Kellen's success given a chance Then again he could never be given a chance SoMetiMes it happens like that as well Theres probably 10000000 players who never were given chances who can play in this league because of so called liMitations but then guys like Wayne Chrebet Wes Welker Drew Brees JiM Leohnard Doug Flutie Danny Woodhead Steve Largent and others are lucky enough to get a chance and people are like "hey these guys can play!" To be honest i think it Makes for a better league when u add good football players like that to the league because right now its watered down with way to Many flat out "DUMB" players but they have the size and ht and so called NFL bodies

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    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]ya I don't really notice a huge lack of arM strength either Sure its not like hes got JaMarcus Russell ArM strength but hes got enough of a arM to be successful in that aspect thats for sure I liken hiM to Andy Dalton a kid who is just very sMart and savy and is just good at football There is way to Many stupid players in the NFL where a player that has savy and sMarts and anticipates and can flat out fool defenders is going to succeed Sure dalton weighs upwards to 20lbs on kellen and has a inch or 2 on hiM but i think Moore can be every bit as successful and people May be suprised at Kellen's success given a chance Then again he could never be given a chance SoMetiMes it happens like that as well Theres probably 10000000 players who never were given chances who can play in this league because of so called liMitations but then guys like Wayne Chrebet Wes Welker Drew Brees JiM Leohnard Doug Flutie Danny Woodhead Steve Largent and others are lucky enough to get a chance and people are like "hey these guys can play!" To be honest i think it Makes for a better league when u add good football players like that to the league because right now its watered down with way to Many flat out "DUMB" players but they have the size and ht and so called NFL bodies
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    Last year, well prior to the draft, well before he had a good senior bowl or combine I said I thought some team was going to fall in love with Christain Ponder. Watching Moore, I get the same feeling. In a way he reminds me a lot of Ponder. He has the same type of accuracy and has an underated arm. I dont like his throwing motion as much as Ponders. But its not a bad 1 either. He also doesnt hold onto the ball too long like Ponder sometimes did.

    The 1 knock on him is his height. But, I dont buy it in his case for a couple reasons:

    1) Watch his highlights and you will see him do 1 thing better than most NFL vets. He ALWAYS looks defenders off. You just dont see this kid stare down recievers. This makes it very difficult for tall defensive lineman to bat his throws down. He will look right, look mid, and dump it off left instantly. The Poor D-lineman dont have a chance to get their hands up cause they cant read his eyes.

    2) He isnt a runner by nature but he has decent mobility. Like Doug Flutie, like Drew Breeze and since he is a left especially like Steve Young and mike Vick, he is mobile enough to find the passing lanes by putting himself in position quickly. Without being overly technical about why, being left handed helps him as a shorter QB too. Mostly because the upfield rushers are usually lined up on the left side. It gives an extra demention of defensive scheme to counter lefty QBs.

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    [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]ya I don't really notice a huge lack of arM strength either Sure its not like hes got JaMarcus Russell ArM strength but hes got enough of a arM to be successful in that aspect thats for sure I liken hiM to Andy Dalton a kid who is just very sMart and savy and is just good at football There is way to Many stupid players in the NFL where a player that has savy and sMarts and anticipates and can flat out fool defenders is going to succeed Sure dalton weighs upwards to 20lbs on kellen and has a inch or 2 on hiM but i think Moore can be every bit as successful and people May be suprised at Kellen's success given a chance Then again he could never be given a chance SoMetiMes it happens like that as well Theres probably 10000000 players who never were given chances who can play in this league because of so called liMitations but then guys like Wayne Chrebet Wes Welker Drew Brees JiM Leohnard Doug Flutie Danny Woodhead Steve Largent and others are lucky enough to get a chance and people are like "hey these guys can play!" To be honest i think it Makes for a better league when u add good football players like that to the league because right now its watered down with way to Many flat out "DUMB" players but they have the size and ht and so called NFL bodies
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    Last year, well prior to the draft, well before he had a good senior bowl or combine I said I thought some team was going to fall in love with Christain Ponder. Watching Moore, I get the same feeling. In a way he reminds me a lot of Ponder. He has the same type of accuracy and has an underated arm. I dont like his throwing motion as much as Ponders. But its not a bad 1 either. He also doesnt hold onto the ball too long like Ponder sometimes did.

    The 1 knock on him is his height. But, I dont buy it in his case for a couple reasons:

    1) Watch his highlights and you will see him do 1 thing better than most NFL vets. He ALWAYS looks defenders off. You just dont see this kid stare down recievers. This makes it very difficult for tall defensive lineman to bat his throws down. He will look right, look mid, and dump it off left instantly. The Poor D-lineman dont have a chance to get their hands up cause they cant read his eyes.

    2) He isnt a runner by nature but he has decent mobility. Like Doug Flutie, like Drew Breeze and since he is a left especially like Steve Young and mike Vick, he is mobile enough to find the passing lanes by putting himself in position quickly. Without being overly technical about why, being left handed helps him as a shorter QB too. Mostly because the upfield rushers are usually lined up on the left side. It gives an extra demention of defensive scheme to counter lefty QBs.
    [/quote] well said and i agree fully

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    [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Vontaze Burfict vs Illinois 2011[/quote]U guys look at this. His tape has been meh the 2 games ive seen[/quote]yeah i have noticed that. starting to wonder if he is injured cause to me it looks like he's lost a step. idk what it is but he hasnt had that fir that ive loved to see out of him. maybe he is just trying to hard to play disciplined instead of just playing? idk man

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