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    Re: Special Teams wins championships! Giants ST is not enough...

    [quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="dan1552"][quote user="SFranciscan"]I think the Giants are not as reliant on special teams as the 49ers because they have such a good third down conversion rate.

    One of the reason the 49ers have won so many games this season is because our special teams can not only return the ball for good field position, but we make the other team march at least 80 yards for a touchdown (which burns time off the clock, favoring defensive strengths), regularly put the ball on the five yard line, and rarely miss field goals from under 50 yards.

    Special teams is not necessarily that important when Green Bay plays the Saints (unless it comes down to a field goal at the end) because it is basically a shootout. Playing a good defensive team like the 49ers or the Ravens, special teams are often the key to victory.
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    Poor ball control by the Saints is Exactly the only reason ALEX SMITH did anything with 50% or less of the SAINTS balls in the RED ZONE last week.
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    Look at what the Saints have done all year and what the 49ers have done all year. It is not poor ball control. It is reflective of the reality what happens when a deep passing team like the Saints meets a fumble and interception-forcing team like the 49ers. Drew Brees is a very accurate quarterback who had very few interceptions. The fact is, long passes are a high risk, high reward strategy, and even with someone as good as Brees, when you pass into the end-zone or for first downs against the 49ers defense, you are going to get more than a few turnovers. It happened to Brees, it happened to Manning, it happened to Vick, it happened to <span class="st">Roethlisberger. And, when you make the completion (because the 49ers focus on stopping the run, not the pass) your receiver better hold onto the ball really tight because our defense hits hards and forces fumbles.

    Alex Smith plays a different ball game. When Manning is on third and long, his sine qua non is to get a first down. When Alex Smith is on third and long, his sine qua non is to not give the other team good field position by throwing an interception, which is why he is the highest rated quarterback this year in terms of interceptions per pass. The 49ers would rather give the ball to one of the best punters to play the game, have him put it well under the 20, and trust their defense than to use the high-risk first down passes.

    However, when Alex Smith absolutely had to make the first down pass this year, he has come through, as we saw in the game against the Saints, which shows that he is capable of taking the risky shots and making them when the game is on the line.

    But if you are expecting to pass the way Manning did against Green Bay and not get turnovers, well, I suggest you review the footage of the last game the Giants played in Candlestick. I would be surprised if there were less than two interceptions and four turnovers by the Giants in this game.
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    Look what the Saints did this year outside the Dome. Your great defense gave up 7 more points than their avaerage outside the dome. Not very impressive.[/quote]

    Other than the real grass on the field, Candlestick park was pretty much as close as you are ever going to get to a dome last Saturday with virtually no wind and a dry field (very unusual conditions for that park).

    And if you are being honest, the 49ers held the Saints very well for 95% of the game. The last five minutes were two quarterbacks making desperate throws to save the game for their team and scoring 28 points that nine times out of ten probably would never have gotten up on the board.

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    Re: Special Teams wins championships! Giants ST is not enough...

    [quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="dan1552"][quote user="SFranciscan"]I think the Giants are not as reliant on special teams as the 49ers because they have such a good third down conversion rate.

    One of the reason the 49ers have won so many games this season is because our special teams can not only return the ball for good field position, but we make the other team march at least 80 yards for a touchdown (which burns time off the clock, favoring defensive strengths), regularly put the ball on the five yard line, and rarely miss field goals from under 50 yards.*

    Special teams is not necessarily that important when Green Bay plays the Saints (unless it comes down to a field goal at the end) because it is basically a shootout.* Playing a good defensive team like the 49ers or the Ravens, special teams are often the key to victory.*
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    Poor ball control by the Saints is Exactly the only reason ALEX SMITH* did anything with 50% or less of the SAINTS balls in the RED ZONE last week.
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    Look at what the Saints have done all year and what the 49ers have done all year.* It is not poor ball control.* It is reflective of the reality what happens when a deep passing team like the Saints meets a fumble and interception-forcing team like the 49ers.* Drew Brees is a very accurate quarterback who had very few interceptions.* The fact is, long passes are a high risk, high reward strategy, and even with someone as good as Brees, when you pass into the end-zone or for first downs against the 49ers defense, you are going to get more than a few turnovers.* It happened to Brees, it happened to Manning, it happened to Vick, it happened to <span class="st">Roethlisberger.* And, when you make the completion (because the 49ers focus on stopping the run, not the pass) your receiver better hold onto the ball really tight because our defense hits hards and forces fumbles.*

    Alex Smith plays a different ball game.* When Manning is on third and long, his sine qua non is to get a first down.* When Alex Smith is on third and long, his sine qua non is to not give the other team good field position by throwing an interception, which is why he is the highest rated quarterback this year in terms of interceptions per pass.* The 49ers would rather give the ball to one of the best punters to play the game, have him put it well under the 20, and trust their defense than to use the high-risk first down passes.

    However, when Alex Smith absolutely had to make the first down pass this year, he has come through, as we saw in the game against the Saints, which shows that he is capable of taking the risky shots and making them when the game is on the line.*

    But if you are expecting to pass the way Manning did against Green Bay and not get turnovers, well, I suggest you review the footage of the last game the Giants played in Candlestick.* I would be surprised if there were less than two interceptions and four turnovers by the Giants in this game.*
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    Look what the Saints did this year outside the Dome. Your great defense gave up 7 more points than their avaerage outside the dome. Not very impressive.[/quote]

    Other than the real grass on the field, Candlestick park was pretty much as close as you are ever going to get to a dome last Saturday with virtually no wind and a dry field (very unusual conditions for that park).*

    And if you are being honest, the 49ers held the Saints very well for 95% of the game.* The last five minutes were two quarterbacks making desperate throws to save the game for their team and scoring 28 points that nine times out of ten probably would never have gotten up on the board.*
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    I am sorry but that cow pasture you call a football stadium is no where near the conditions inside the Dome. 32 points and the Saints fumbled at the 2 yard line. Sorry your team is not the 85 Bears.

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    Re: Special Teams wins championships! Giants ST is not enough...

    [quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="dan1552"][quote user="SFranciscan"]I think the Giants are not as reliant on special teams as the 49ers because they have such a good third down conversion rate.

    One of the reason the 49ers have won so many games this season is because our special teams can not only return the ball for good field position, but we make the other team march at least 80 yards for a touchdown (which burns time off the clock, favoring defensive strengths), regularly put the ball on the five yard line, and rarely miss field goals from under 50 yards.

    Special teams is not necessarily that important when Green Bay plays the Saints (unless it comes down to a field goal at the end) because it is basically a shootout. Playing a good defensive team like the 49ers or the Ravens, special teams are often the key to victory.
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    Poor ball control by the Saints is Exactly the only reason ALEX SMITH did anything with 50% or less of the SAINTS balls in the RED ZONE last week.
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    Look at what the Saints have done all year and what the 49ers have done all year. It is not poor ball control. It is reflective of the reality what happens when a deep passing team like the Saints meets a fumble and interception-forcing team like the 49ers. Drew Brees is a very accurate quarterback who had very few interceptions. The fact is, long passes are a high risk, high reward strategy, and even with someone as good as Brees, when you pass into the end-zone or for first downs against the 49ers defense, you are going to get more than a few turnovers. It happened to Brees, it happened to Manning, it happened to Vick, it happened to <span class="st">Roethlisberger. And, when you make the completion (because the 49ers focus on stopping the run, not the pass) your receiver better hold onto the ball really tight because our defense hits hards and forces fumbles.

    Alex Smith plays a different ball game. When Manning is on third and long, his sine qua non is to get a first down. When Alex Smith is on third and long, his sine qua non is to not give the other team good field position by throwing an interception, which is why he is the highest rated quarterback this year in terms of interceptions per pass. The 49ers would rather give the ball to one of the best punters to play the game, have him put it well under the 20, and trust their defense than to use the high-risk first down passes.

    However, when Alex Smith absolutely had to make the first down pass this year, he has come through, as we saw in the game against the Saints, which shows that he is capable of taking the risky shots and making them when the game is on the line.

    But if you are expecting to pass the way Manning did against Green Bay and not get turnovers, well, I suggest you review the footage of the last game the Giants played in Candlestick. I would be surprised if there were less than two interceptions and four turnovers by the Giants in this game.
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    Look what the Saints did this year outside the Dome. Your great defense gave up 7 more points than their avaerage outside the dome. Not very impressive.[/quote]

    Other than the real grass on the field, Candlestick park was pretty much as close as you are ever going to get to a dome last Saturday with virtually no wind and a dry field (very unusual conditions for that park).

    And if you are being honest, the 49ers held the Saints very well for 95% of the game. The last five minutes were two quarterbacks making desperate throws to save the game for their team and scoring 28 points that nine times out of ten probably would never have gotten up on the board.
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    I am sorry but that cow pasture you call a football stadium is no where near the conditions inside the Dome. 32 points and the Saints fumbled at the 2 yard line. Sorry your team is not the 85 Bears.[/quote]

    The field was dry, there was no wind. It was sunny and 62 degrees. If the deciding factor was that the Saints were playing on real grass, then I would have loved to have seen how badly the Saints would have done on a typical January game at Candlestick where the field is wet, there are 50 mph shifting gusts of winds and maybe even some low fog hanging over the field by evening-time like some gothic-era horror movie.

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    Re: Special Teams wins championships! Giants ST is not enough...

    [quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="dan1552"][quote user="SFranciscan"]I think the Giants are not as reliant on special teams as the 49ers because they have such a good third down conversion rate.

    One of the reason the 49ers have won so many games this season is because our special teams can not only return the ball for good field position, but we make the other team march at least 80 yards for a touchdown (which burns time off the clock, favoring defensive strengths), regularly put the ball on the five yard line, and rarely miss field goals from under 50 yards.*

    Special teams is not necessarily that important when Green Bay plays the Saints (unless it comes down to a field goal at the end) because it is basically a shootout.* Playing a good defensive team like the 49ers or the Ravens, special teams are often the key to victory.*
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    Poor ball control by the Saints is Exactly the only reason ALEX SMITH* did anything with 50% or less of the SAINTS balls in the RED ZONE last week.
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    Look at what the Saints have done all year and what the 49ers have done all year.* It is not poor ball control.* It is reflective of the reality what happens when a deep passing team like the Saints meets a fumble and interception-forcing team like the 49ers.* Drew Brees is a very accurate quarterback who had very few interceptions.* The fact is, long passes are a high risk, high reward strategy, and even with someone as good as Brees, when you pass into the end-zone or for first downs against the 49ers defense, you are going to get more than a few turnovers.* It happened to Brees, it happened to Manning, it happened to Vick, it happened to <span class="st">Roethlisberger.* And, when you make the completion (because the 49ers focus on stopping the run, not the pass) your receiver better hold onto the ball really tight because our defense hits hards and forces fumbles.*

    Alex Smith plays a different ball game.* When Manning is on third and long, his sine qua non is to get a first down.* When Alex Smith is on third and long, his sine qua non is to not give the other team good field position by throwing an interception, which is why he is the highest rated quarterback this year in terms of interceptions per pass.* The 49ers would rather give the ball to one of the best punters to play the game, have him put it well under the 20, and trust their defense than to use the high-risk first down passes.

    However, when Alex Smith absolutely had to make the first down pass this year, he has come through, as we saw in the game against the Saints, which shows that he is capable of taking the risky shots and making them when the game is on the line.*

    But if you are expecting to pass the way Manning did against Green Bay and not get turnovers, well, I suggest you review the footage of the last game the Giants played in Candlestick.* I would be surprised if there were less than two interceptions and four turnovers by the Giants in this game.*
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    Look what the Saints did this year outside the Dome. Your great defense gave up 7 more points than their avaerage outside the dome. Not very impressive.[/quote]

    Other than the real grass on the field, Candlestick park was pretty much as close as you are ever going to get to a dome last Saturday with virtually no wind and a dry field (very unusual conditions for that park).*

    And if you are being honest, the 49ers held the Saints very well for 95% of the game.* The last five minutes were two quarterbacks making desperate throws to save the game for their team and scoring 28 points that nine times out of ten probably would never have gotten up on the board.*
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    I am sorry but that cow pasture you call a football stadium is no where near the conditions inside the Dome. 32 points and the Saints fumbled at the 2 yard line. Sorry your team is not the 85 Bears.[/quote]

    The field was dry, there was no wind.* It was sunny and 62 degrees.* If the deciding factor was that the Saints were playing on real grass, then I would have loved to have seen how badly the Saints would have done on a typical January game at Candlestick where the field is wet, there are 50 mph shifting gusts of winds and maybe even some low fog hanging over the field by evening-time like some gothic-era horror movie.*
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    Don't get me wrong I love football outside in the conditions. It is the way it should be played. My point is the Saints are built for a fast indoor track and are just an average team outside. It has been proven many times.

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    Re: Special Teams wins championships! Giants ST is not enough...

    [quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="TroyArcher"][quote user="SFranciscan"][quote user="dan1552"][quote user="SFranciscan"]I think the Giants are not as reliant on special teams as the 49ers because they have such a good third down conversion rate.

    One of the reason the 49ers have won so many games this season is because our special teams can not only return the ball for good field position, but we make the other team march at least 80 yards for a touchdown (which burns time off the clock, favoring defensive strengths), regularly put the ball on the five yard line, and rarely miss field goals from under 50 yards.

    Special teams is not necessarily that important when Green Bay plays the Saints (unless it comes down to a field goal at the end) because it is basically a shootout. Playing a good defensive team like the 49ers or the Ravens, special teams are often the key to victory.
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    Poor ball control by the Saints is Exactly the only reason ALEX SMITH did anything with 50% or less of the SAINTS balls in the RED ZONE last week.
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    Look at what the Saints have done all year and what the 49ers have done all year. It is not poor ball control. It is reflective of the reality what happens when a deep passing team like the Saints meets a fumble and interception-forcing team like the 49ers. Drew Brees is a very accurate quarterback who had very few interceptions. The fact is, long passes are a high risk, high reward strategy, and even with someone as good as Brees, when you pass into the end-zone or for first downs against the 49ers defense, you are going to get more than a few turnovers. It happened to Brees, it happened to Manning, it happened to Vick, it happened to <span class="st">Roethlisberger. And, when you make the completion (because the 49ers focus on stopping the run, not the pass) your receiver better hold onto the ball really tight because our defense hits hards and forces fumbles.

    Alex Smith plays a different ball game. When Manning is on third and long, his sine qua non is to get a first down. When Alex Smith is on third and long, his sine qua non is to not give the other team good field position by throwing an interception, which is why he is the highest rated quarterback this year in terms of interceptions per pass. The 49ers would rather give the ball to one of the best punters to play the game, have him put it well under the 20, and trust their defense than to use the high-risk first down passes.

    However, when Alex Smith absolutely had to make the first down pass this year, he has come through, as we saw in the game against the Saints, which shows that he is capable of taking the risky shots and making them when the game is on the line.

    But if you are expecting to pass the way Manning did against Green Bay and not get turnovers, well, I suggest you review the footage of the last game the Giants played in Candlestick. I would be surprised if there were less than two interceptions and four turnovers by the Giants in this game.
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    Look what the Saints did this year outside the Dome. Your great defense gave up 7 more points than their avaerage outside the dome. Not very impressive.[/quote]

    Other than the real grass on the field, Candlestick park was pretty much as close as you are ever going to get to a dome last Saturday with virtually no wind and a dry field (very unusual conditions for that park).

    And if you are being honest, the 49ers held the Saints very well for 95% of the game. The last five minutes were two quarterbacks making desperate throws to save the game for their team and scoring 28 points that nine times out of ten probably would never have gotten up on the board.
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    I am sorry but that cow pasture you call a football stadium is no where near the conditions inside the Dome. 32 points and the Saints fumbled at the 2 yard line. Sorry your team is not the 85 Bears.[/quote]

    The field was dry, there was no wind. It was sunny and 62 degrees. If the deciding factor was that the Saints were playing on real grass, then I would have loved to have seen how badly the Saints would have done on a typical January game at Candlestick where the field is wet, there are 50 mph shifting gusts of winds and maybe even some low fog hanging over the field by evening-time like some gothic-era horror movie.
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    Don't get me wrong I love football outside in the conditions. It is the way it should be played. My point is the Saints are built for a fast indoor track and are just an average team outside. It has been proven many times.[/quote]

    No, I understand it, but I mean, other than the grass (which slows down the run a bit) the conditions for the Saints was pretty much the same as a dome.

    Rain and wind have their advantages and disadvantages. It might rain during the game (first storm of the winter) and will probably be windy, which is bad for long passes (great for interceptions) and probably gives Smith a bit of an advantage since he tends to play conservatively and short. It is also good for the running game because the runners know their routes and the 49ers have a better ground game. It is bad for the defense though, because the receivers know their routes and can run them better in the mud.

    The Giants will suffer a lot less from bad weather than the Saints would have. Honestly, I think that is part of the problem with Green Bay. They actually are not built well for the conditions in Lambeau field.

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    Re: Special Teams wins championships! Giants ST is not enough...

    I guess it does, LOL

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    [quote user="jhamburg"]I guess it does, LOL[/quote]

    LOL

    The very reason the 49ers lost!

    Devin Thomas and Jacquian Williams, unbelievable

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    [quote user="jhamburg"]I guess it does, LOL[/quote]

    only thing those 49ers trolls got right all week. And it worked against them!

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    [quote user="theyregood"]49ers have a much stronger Special Teams.[/quote]Hahahhaag you ****ing idiot. You're a ****ing prophet but a dip****. Hahhahahaha

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    Well, well, well. Look who's special teams won the game...
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