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    To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    I've held off on this topic for a bit, but.......seriously?






    Under Coughlin, the Giants have been playoff contenders every year
    for the past seven consecutive seasons (2005-present). The only
    exception might be 2009, but even then NY was still very much in the thick of the
    race and started the year 5-0.





    The Giants haven't had a losing season since 2004. How many NFL
    teams can lay claim to that same feat? You might be surprised: Not the
    Colts. Not the Eagles. Not the Ravens. Not the Packers. Not the Bears.
    Not the Cowboys. Definitely not the Saints or Falcons.





    In fact, as far as I can tell, the Giants currently hold that streak
    alongside of only three other NFL teams: The Steelers, Patriots, and
    Chargers. Many NFL fanbases would love to have that kind of
    consistency from their team. Some have never known what it's like.




    The talk about how the Coughlin-coached Giants collapse late in
    the season with the playoffs on the line hides the more
    basic fact: You can't complain about a coach "who blows 5-0 and 6-2 starts to begin a season" unless you have a coach who actually led your team to 5-0 and 6-2 records to start a season to begin with. You can't complain about a coach "whose team collapses late in the
    season with the playoffs on the line", unless that coach had your team in the thick of playoff contention to begin with. If you have forgotten what it felt like without such a team, go back to the Giants teams of 2003 and 2004, which finished 4-12 and 6-10. Can't remember what it was like? Probably because it's been a very long time. Why has it been a long time? Because the Coughlin-coached Giants have been a winning team for a long time.




    Sure, perhaps Coughlin will retire on his own regardless. Sure, maybe things have passed him by. Perhaps it's best for him and the team that he leave. At any rate, he deserves better than a firing.



    Seriously, from a Dallas fan who considers the Giants to be, year in
    and year out, arguably the most dangerous rival/opponent of the Cowboys': You really
    don't know what you have until it's over.

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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    Easy for you guys to say that now since the boys are likely to be in the playoffs. I could care less about being over .500 when you dont make the playoffs. It just gets you worse draft picks and that doesnt help out your team. Being stuck in "so close" land for now 3 years is pathetic. The ultimate goal is to contend for a superbowl and Tom hasnt done that in 3 years now. Not making the playoffs means you dont have a chance to get one. So Tom does in fact need to go.
    P.S. I think the chargers are going get off that list.

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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    You can throw records around and say how great he is based on those numbers, but honestly even the numbers look mediocre aside from the Superbowl. The story behind Coughlin and the Giants is that they've started off strong 3 seasons straight and collapse when the games start to matter, and if everything goes as natural this will be year 4 in the dumps.

    We get out coached in games we're supposed to win and haven't sniffed the playoffs in 2 seasons additionally. Fans have every reason to be frustrated at him right now. This is a recurring issue.

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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    wow, i think i just met the first cowboys fan i ever had respect for...

    great post man, well said. the opinions vary on both extremes, regardless, we'll see what happens and where the team is at when all the games have been played.

    3 weeks ago coughlin was untouchable, people posting the pics of the locker room after the NE win, him being hoisted onto players (who have been vocal about things they actually dislike about the franchise-osi, jacobs) to now those same fans who were all over toms jock strap are now saying he has to be fired.

    we've been the most injured team by far thoughout the year, more than 12 players on IR i believe, constant injuries to players that we had to field bc of those IR injuries, and a whole myriad of other factors.

    the same people saying he must be fired were saying we were a 4 win team pre-season or at best a 6 or 8 win team.

    Coughlin has done a good job of playing the hand he was dealt imo.

    I still think even if we falter badly from here on out, Coughlin won't be fired, but we'll have a new staff surrounding him.

    People act like its Tom who calls the plays or sets up the game plan for O and D. He doesn't, all he does is to try and prepare the players for whatever situation may arise on Sundays. from our own players admissions, he is excellent at this and even when we get blown out, players usually will say "we just didnt get it done. Coach talked about these things that led to us losing all week and we just didn't perform" which a good example would be the Tenn loss last year.

    All week Tom was saying "the players are chirpy, they'll hit after the whistle. they'll try and instigate" and what happens? we get like 5 personal fouls for retaliating.


    Dude has us winning games or being in every game for the majority of every year he's been here. This NO loss was the first time I believe we lost by more than 10 points all year.

    But hey, thats my take.

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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    Giants fans should be embarrassed a Cowboy fan without any agenda can appreciate what TC has accomplished for the team but the spoiled front running Giants fans can't.

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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    The problem is that Tom Coughlin is good, but fatally flawed.

    His Nov/Dec record is 28-40.

    He's never won a home playoff game.

    Every year we start out 5-2, and every year we collapse.

    This goes back to his first year in 2004. Different players, different owners, different GM. He is the only constant.

    Many years the team folds down the stretch and misses the playoffs (2004, 2009, 2010, and probably 2011). Other years the team collapses down the stretch and still makes the playoffs, only to lose in the first round (2005, 2006, 2008).

    And in case you haven't noticed, the team shows up small in big games. Like the Eagles game a few weeks ago. Or like the Eagles and Packers games last year. Or the last ever game at Giants Stadium the year before that. Or the playoff game against the Eagles the year before that.

    And they don't only lose, but they lose in humiliating fashion. 41-9, 23-0, those kinds of losses.

    It's the same problem the Yankees had with Joe Torre -- he's living off past glory and while he is doing a good job, it falls short of championship level, and you keep extending him one year at a time to give him one more chance to recapture that magic. And when the all-time worst disasters happen (2004 ALCS for Torre, pick one of the above for Coughlin) they just don't have any answers.

    Eventually you just have to move on.

    Why did the Cowboys fire Tom Landry?
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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    [quote user="yatitle"]Giants fans should be embarrassed a Cowboy fan without any agenda can appreciate what TC has accomplished for the team but the spoiled front running Giants fans can't.[/quote]

    Sure and it has nothing to do with them peaking and still having two games to play against us. I'm sure they'd like to see us stuck in the mud for a few more years.
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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    [quote user="Cowboys Fan From Asia"]I've held off on this topic for a bit, but.......seriously?






    Under Coughlin, the Giants have been playoff contenders every year
    for the past seven consecutive seasons (2005-present). The only
    exception might be 2009, but even then NY was still very much in the thick of the
    race and started the year 5-0.*





    The Giants haven't had a losing season since 2004. How many NFL
    teams can lay claim to that same feat?* You might be surprised:* Not the
    Colts. Not the Eagles. Not the Ravens. Not the Packers. Not the Bears.
    Not the Cowboys. Definitely not the Saints.**





    In fact, as far as I can tell, the Giants currently hold that streak
    alongside of only three other NFL teams: The Steelers, Patriots, and
    Chargers. Many NFL fanbases would dearly love to have that kind of
    consistency from their team.* Some have never known what it's like.




    The talk about how the Coughlin-coached Giants collapse late in
    the season with the playoffs on the line hides the more
    basic fact:* You can't complain about a coach "who blows 5-0 and 6-2
    leads to start a season" unless you have a coach who actually led your team to 5-0 and 6-2 records to start a season to begin with. You can't complain about a coach "whose team collapses late in the
    season with the playoffs on the line", unless that coach had your team in the thick of playoff contention to begin with. If you have forgotten what it felt like without such a team, go back to the Giants teams of 2003 and 2004, which finished 4-12 and 6-10.* Can't remember what it was like?* Probably because it's been a very long time. Why has it been a long time? Because the Coughlin-coached Giants have been a winning team for a long time.




    Sure, perhaps Coughlin will retire on his own regardless. Sure, maybe things have passed him by. Perhaps it's best for him and the team that he leave.* At any rate, he deserves better than a firing.



    Seriously, from a Dallas fan who considers the Giants to be, year in
    and year out, arguably the most dangerous rival/opponent of the Cowboys': You really
    don't know what you have until it's over.
    [/quote]Nicely said. You posted more common sense than most fans on here lately.

    While TC deserves dome of the blame (rightfully so) With KG and now possibly Fewell, the injuries are just unreal.

    Its one thing to be out some players, but it is another to lose critical players week in and week out for either a season, a quarter or half a season.

    Some blame goes to the FO for lack of depth like the LB spot and the Oline.

    There is blame to go around, but things need to be put in perspective. If we lose out TC needs to be gone, if he can't win minimum 3 out of the next 5 I think he is in trouble.

    10-6 can get us in, if we beat the cowboys twice, or lose maybe once and beat the pack.
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    Re: To Giants fans who want Coughlin fired: Seriously?

    [quote user="DragonSoul"]Nicely said. You posted more common sense than most fans on here lately.

    While TC deserves dome of the blame (rightfully so) With KG and now possibly Fewell, the injuries are just unreal.

    Its one thing to be out some players, but it is another to lose critical players week in and week out for either a season, a quarter or half a season.

    Some blame goes to the FO for lack of depth like the LB spot and the Oline.[/quote]

    So how do you explain that these late season swoons have happened every year except 2005 under Coughlin?

    2004 - lost 8 of last 9
    2006 - lost 6 of last 8
    2007 - lost 4 of last 8
    2008 - lost 3 of last 4
    2009 - lost 8 of last 11
    2010 - lost 4 of last 8
    2011 - lost 3 of last 3

    No, it must be injuries. No pattern here.

    How do you explain the utter, embarrassing failures in big games? The turkey playoff losses (2005 loss to Panthers 23-0 at home; 2008 23-11 loss to Eagles), the abysmal performance in big games (Eagles this year, Eagles 2010 aka the meltdown, last game ever at Giants Stadium lost to Panthers 41-9, and there are plenty more). They don't just lose, they look like they couldn't beat a Pop Warner team. They put on franchise-worst performances (like last week vs. Saints -- 577 yards given up; but that's technically only the 2nd worst in franchise history).

    Nope, must be injuries.

    Come on man, for what ever reason, Coughlin collapses every year and has these disgusting face plants in big games.
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    [quote user="SweetZombieJesus"][quote user="DragonSoul"]Nicely said. You posted more common sense than most fans on here lately. While TC deserves dome of the blame (rightfully so) With KG and now possibly Fewell, the injuries are just unreal. Its one thing to be out some players, but it is another to lose critical players week in and week out for either a season, a quarter or half a season. Some blame goes to the FO for lack of depth like the LB spot and the Oline.[/quote]

    So how do you explain that these late season swoons have happened every year except 2005 under Coughlin?

    2004 - lost 8 of last 9
    2006 - lost 6 of last 8
    2007 - lost 4 of last 8
    2008 - lost 3 of last 4
    2009 - lost 8 of last 11
    2010 - lost 4 of last 8
    2011 - lost 3 of last 3

    No, it must be injuries. No pattern here.

    How do you explain the utter, embarrassing failures in big games? The turkey playoff losses (2005 loss to Panthers 23-0 at home; 2008 23-11 loss to Eagles), the abysmal performance in big games (Eagles this year, Eagles 2010 aka the meltdown, last game ever at Giants Stadium lost to Panthers 41-9, and there are plenty more). They don't just lose, they look like they couldn't beat a Pop Warner team. They put on franchise-worst performances (like last week vs. Saints -- 577 yards given up; but that's technically only the 2nd worst in franchise history).

    Nope, must be injuries.

    Come on man, for what ever reason, Coughlin collapses every year and has these disgusting face plants in big games.
    [/quote]




    Do you think that 2004 had anything to do with starting a rookie QB who was beyond awful that first year?????


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