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    Re: New England's Offensive Firepower

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    [quote user="miked1958"]Just checked listing for SB next weekend and didn't see anything about all that firepower of Jennings, Nelson, driver, Finley , Crabtree, grant, Rodgers even playing in SB?[/quote]</P>


    Rob Gronkowski alone is better than any receiver they have, hell he's the best tightend in the NFL, and quiet possibly the best we've ever seen.</P>


    Aaron Hernandez is better than any tightend they have, he is explosive, fast, can play X and he can run the ball.</P>


    Wes Welker is overall better than Jennings, and still great in the slot.* He is a top 5 best wide receiver is also better than every last one of their receivers.* And he can still take a screen and run it for about 10 to 15 yards. </P>


    Deion Branch though not mentioned with the stars, is a superbowl MVP, a very precise and detailed route runner and knows how to get open with sneaky quickess .. and he can beat you deep if you'r e not careful.* He's also pretty clutch as well.</P>


    They also don't have an elusive allpurpose pass catching threat out of the backfield like Danny Woodhead.* He can be a potential game changer, remember 2010.* Not to mention Kevin Faulk who though is older, is still capable of doing some of the same.</P>


    Chad Ochocinco though quiet is not injured, is healthy as when on can outplay just about everybody with MAYBE the exception of Greg Jennings.**If*he gets going, then he has to be doubled.*</P>


    Julian Edelman can do his best Wes Welker imitations, with even more elusiveness making 5 yard screens into 10 to 20 yard runs and can also take handoffs, reverses and things of that nature.</P>


    BenJarvus Green-Ellis is a pound-it out hardnosed runner who's patient, with good vision and can wear a defense down never fumbling with solid hands out of the backfield and Stevan Ridley brings his dynamics as well.* GreenBay has nothing like that.</P>


    And Tom Brady is not only the best Quarterback in the league, but is the greatest quarterback of all time.</P>


    So these guys are here in the big dance for a reason, too much versatility, too deep and can hurt you.</P>[/quote]

    at the big dance for a reason huh? lets not forget about the missed chip shot field goal that could have spelled defeat for them in the afc championship. brady even said he was horrible on that day. all the gmen have to do is use that ravens formula or well just let the front 4 get at brady and it will be a LONG day on febuary 5th

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    Re: New England's Offensive Firepower

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    [quote user="miked1958"]Just checked listing for SB next weekend and didn't see anything about all that firepower of Jennings, Nelson, driver, Finley , Crabtree, grant, Rodgers even playing in SB?[/quote]</P>


    Rob Gronkowski alone is better than any receiver they have, hell he's the best tightend in the NFL, and quiet possibly the best we've ever seen.</P>


    Aaron Hernandez is better than any tightend they have, he is explosive, fast, can play X and he can run the ball.</P>


    Wes Welker is overall better than Jennings, and still great in the slot. He is a top 5 best wide receiver is also better than every last one of their receivers. And he can still take a screen and run it for about 10 to 15 yards. </P>


    Deion Branch though not mentioned with the stars, is a superbowl MVP, a very precise and detailed route runner and knows how to get open with sneaky quickess .. and he can beat you deep if you'r e not careful. He's also pretty clutch as well.</P>


    They also don't have an elusive allpurpose pass catching threat out of the backfield like Danny Woodhead. He can be a potential game changer, remember 2010. Not to mention Kevin Faulk who though is older, is still capable of doing some of the same.</P>


    Chad Ochocinco though quiet is not injured, is healthy as when on can outplay just about everybody with MAYBE the exception of Greg Jennings.Ifhe gets going, then he has to be doubled.</P>


    Julian Edelman can do his best Wes Welker imitations, with even more elusiveness making 5 yard screens into 10 to 20 yard runs and can also take handoffs, reverses and things of that nature.</P>


    BenJarvus Green-Ellis is a pound-it out hardnosed runner who's patient, with good vision and can wear a defense down never fumbling with solid hands out of the backfield and Stevan Ridley brings his dynamics as well. GreenBay has nothing like that.</P>


    And Tom Brady is not only the best Quarterback in the league, but is the greatest quarterback of all time.</P>


    So these guys are here in the big dance for a reason, too much versatility, too deep and can hurt you.</P>


    [/quote] at the big dance for a reason huh? lets not forget about the missed chip shot field goal that could have spelled defeat for them in the afc championship. brady even said he was horrible on that day. all the gmen have to do is use that ravens formula or well just let the front 4 get at brady and it will be a LONG day on febuary 5th[/quote]</P>


    First of all everyone has a bad game every now and again, his just so happened to be the AFC Championship game. And secondly, you know he won't have a bad one again, especially in the Superbowl against the team that ended his undefeated streak and a chance at another ring. You know he will be up to the task this time around with even more weapons and more dangerous weapons at his disposal. Not to mention Rob Gronkowski dropped an automatic touchdown pass which would have had Baltimore behind by at least two touchdowns. And what may you think you can just line up pash rush and expect to beat Brady, or even use the same formula that the Ravens use. Patriots adjust to everything you throw at them and you have to remember you really don't have anybody back there to cover all of those weapons with Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, and company back there giving Brady all kinds of time to throw. </P>

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    Ocho the best of his generation? Yeah no. So he's better than Jennings, Fitzgerald, Driver, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and Andre Johnson?

    Gimmie a break!

    Gronks a beast to bring down but look who he has throwing to him hitting him in perfect stride.

    Now take Jason Witten and look who he has throwing to him, Tony Romo.

    Look what Green Bays WRs did to Detroit with Matt Flynn throwing.

    Point is WRs true abilities are measured by how the adapt when their rhythm is thrown off with their QBs. I am not saying your guys aren't good because they are but lets not get carried away.

    Oh and one last thing. I am so sick and tired of hearing about GBs throws being off due to rust. Rodgers was running for his life and not getting enough on his throws, throwing off his back foot, etc. same goes for Smith and they're scrambling QBs.

    So don't go nuts.

    Ringing in the 2012 season!

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    [quote user="Denaliman316"]Ocho the best of his generation? Yeah no. So he's better than Jennings, Fitzgerald, Driver, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and Andre Johnson? Gimmie a break! Gronks a beast to bring down but look who he has throwing to him hitting him in perfect stride. Now take Jason Witten and look who he has throwing to him, Tony Romo. Look what Green Bays WRs did to Detroit with Matt Flynn throwing. Point is WRs true abilities are measured by how the adapt when their rhythm is thrown off with their QBs. I am not saying your guys aren't good because they are but lets not get carried away. Oh and one last thing. I am so sick and tired of hearing about GBs throws being off due to rust. Rodgers was running for his life and not getting enough on his throws, throwing off his back foot, etc. same goes for Smith and they're scrambling QBs. So don't go nuts.[/quote]</P>


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    Bottom line, who are you all going to have to cover all of those receivers. Mankins, Waters, Light, Solder and Vollmer along with Gronk and Polite will give Tom time. You have Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Deion Branch, Chad Ochocinco, Julian Edelman, along with Danny Woodhead and Kevin Faulk coming out of the backfield. Your best corner is Corey Webster and he is not an elite guy, hell Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie got skunked by this group. You know someone will be one on one which means someone will get open. Witten is not quiet GRONKowski, Greg Jennings is no Wes Welker, and Rodgers is no Brady... although he hada great SEASON he is no Tom Brady. Eli will have to score some points to have a chance. </P>

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    At the end of the day it comes to physicality. If the NE O Line can punish the NYG D line and linebackers and run the ball then it will create more time for Brady. If not, well then the game becomes tougher. Keep in mind that if Cundiff does connect on that gimme kick then the game goes into OT, its not a definite loss for NE.

    I believe that the Giants are the more balanced team and with Gronk at 85%? Maybe? a better Offensive team too. But the best team does not always win, its the SB after all and teams like NO have exposed the Giants D indoors. So we'll see what happens but in my humble opinion the more physical team will win.



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    [quote user="Non Troll NE"]At the end of the day it comes to physicality. If the NE O Line can punish the NYG D line and linebackers and run the ball then it will create more time for Brady. If not, well then the game becomes tougher. Keep in mind that if Cundiff does connect on that gimme kick then the game goes into OT, its not a definite loss for NE.

    I believe that the Giants are the more balanced team and with Gronk at 85%? Maybe? a better Offensive team too. But the best team does not always win, its the SB after all and teams like NO have exposed the Giants D indoors. So we'll see what happens but in my humble opinion the more physical team will win.


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    Sorry pal, the NFL didn't start before 2001.

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    [quote user="PhilaGiant83"][quote user="Non Troll NE"]At the end of the day it comes to physicality. If the NE O Line can punish the NYG D line and linebackers and run the ball then it will create more time for Brady. If not, well then the game becomes tougher. Keep in mind that if Cundiff does connect on that gimme kick then the game goes into OT, its not a definite loss for NE.

    I believe that the Giants are the more balanced team and with Gronk at 85%? Maybe? a better Offensive team too. But the best team does not always win, its the SB after all and teams like NO have exposed the Giants D indoors. So we'll see what happens but in my humble opinion the more physical team will win.


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    Sorry pal, the NFL didn't start before 2001.[/quote]

    Huh? LOL

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    [quote user="Non Troll NE"]At the end of the day it comes to physicality. If the NE O Line can punish the NYG D line and linebackers and run the ball then it will create more time for Brady. If not, well then the game becomes tougher. Keep in mind that if Cundiff does connect on that gimme kick then the game goes into OT, its not a definite loss for NE.

    I believe that the Giants are the more balanced team and with Gronk at 85%? Maybe? a better Offensive team too. But the best team does not always win, its the SB after all and teams like NO have exposed the Giants D indoors. So we'll see what happens but in my humble opinion the more physical team will win.


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    Uh The Saints "exposed" everyone indoors. Indoors is faster but then that you would think would help our run game and Cruz.

    Otherwise good post.

    Ringing in the 2012 season!

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    [quote user="Denaliman316"]Ocho the best of his generation? Yeah no. So he's better than Jennings, Fitzgerald, Driver, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and Andre Johnson? Gimmie a break! Gronks a beast to bring down but look who he has throwing to him hitting him in perfect stride. Now take Jason Witten and look who he has throwing to him, Tony Romo. Look what Green Bays WRs did to Detroit with Matt Flynn throwing. Point is WRs true abilities are measured by how the adapt when their rhythm is thrown off with their QBs. I am not saying your guys aren't good because they are but lets not get carried away. Oh and one last thing. I am so sick and tired of hearing about GBs throws being off due to rust. Rodgers was running for his life and not getting enough on his throws, throwing off his back foot, etc. same goes for Smith and they're scrambling QBs. So don't go nuts.[/quote]</p>


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    Bottom line, who are you all going to have to cover all of those receivers. Mankins, Waters, Light, Solder and Vollmer along with Gronk and Polite will give Tom time. You have Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Deion Branch, Chad Ochocinco, Julian Edelman, along with Danny Woodhead and Kevin Faulk coming out of the backfield. Your best corner is Corey Webster and he is not an elite guy, hell Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie got skunked by this group. You know someone will be one on one which means someone will get open. Witten is not quiet GRONKowski, Greg Jennings is no Wes Welker, and Rodgers is no Brady... although he hada great SEASON he is no Tom Brady. Eli will have to score some points to have a chance. </p>[/quote]

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    I think both teams rely on the YAC, not sure who it favors more actually? The receivers are better but NE's TEs are better in terms of YAC. I think the backs are a wash. Jacobs and Bradshaw are very good but the Law Firm and Woodhead are decent too (check out the #s).

    Spikes, Mayo, Anderson and Ninko are better LBs than what the Giants have but the Giants D line is better than NE's although Wilfork is fairly beastly. Our secondary is suspect, I am not sure about the Giants. QBs are basically a wash, as Eli is the hotter QB but Brady is well Brady.



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