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    [quote user="Bread"]In my opinion, Manning is the best QB in the game today and will eventually be, the best of all time.[/quote]</P>


    Really? Eli is one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL but not over Tom Brady .. and definitely not the best of all time over Tom Brady and Joe Montana. </P>

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    [quote user="flamethrower"]Too many opinions here to not cause flack.
    So the way I will do this is by picking a best of each Decade. And in the 1980's and beyond the game changed to a passing league. So better to have both the Champion, and the best Passer listed.
    1950's Otto Graham
    1960's Bart Starr, or Johnny Unitas.
    1970's Roger Staubach No way is Bradshaw in his class. Bradshaw was average, but had the better team.
    1980's Montana/Marino Championships vs Passing Numbers
    1990's John Elway/Brett Favre Championships vs passing numbers
    2000's Tom Brady/Peyton Manning Championships vs Passing Numbers again.
    2010's current decade Eli Manning vs Drew Breeze I know kinda early on this one. But using what they have done so far they are the best 2.
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    Great post! I absolutely agree with this list.

    I would add Sammy Baugh for the 40s.
    It is hard to argue against Graham as being the greatest of all time. The only problem that I have with the era, has mainly to do with the racism of the time and overall treatment of black players. I don't consider much of professional sports as legitimate for that period, or anything pre-70s due to the horrible discrimination of the day. I love Baugh, Unitas, and Starr and Staubach, but there is no way that any of us can say that black QBs where given a fair shot at establishing themselves in the league.

    I have to rank Montana are the real #1 of all-time, but it is not clear, as I think that Elway would provide with a great argument. As far as the current talent at the position, I think that it is a Peyton v. Brady battle, and Breeze is certainly in the conversation. As far as Eli, I am a huge fan, and he is the best QB that I have ever seen, but I have to see him do a bit more to consider him as the best of his era. I hope that Eli does keep progressing as he has, and completely convinces me that is the supreme talent amongst his peers.

    As far as Favre is concerned. I can't stand his interception numbers. He lost as many games as he won by never being able to temper his high-risk high-reward approach to the position. He, along with Dan Marino are probably the best arms that I have ever seen.

    One player that gets dropped out of the conversation is Troy Aikman. Mainly because he played in a very conservative offense, he rarely was in the position where games where shoot-outs. McNabb also had a great career before completely coming apart in the last few years. Another player that gets looked over is Warren Moon. Lets remember that his team was as pass-heavy as could be, and he was more than exemplary at how to handle such responsibility.



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    [quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="flamethrower"]Too many opinions here to not cause flack.
    So the way I will do this is by picking a best of each Decade. And in the 1980's and beyond the game changed to a passing league. So better to have both the Champion, and the best Passer listed.
    1950's Otto Graham
    1960's Bart Starr, or Johnny Unitas.
    1970's Roger Staubach No way is Bradshaw in his class. Bradshaw was average, but had the better team.
    1980's Montana/Marino Championships vs Passing Numbers
    1990's John Elway/Brett Favre Championships vs passing numbers
    2000's Tom Brady/Peyton Manning Championships vs Passing Numbers again.
    2010's current decade Eli Manning vs Drew Breeze I know kinda early on this one. But using what they have done so far they are the best 2.
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    Great post! I absolutely agree with this list.

    I would add Sammy Baugh for the 40s.
    It is hard to argue against Graham as being the greatest of all time. The only problem that I have with the era, has mainly to do with the racism of the time and overall treatment of black players. I don't consider much of professional sports as legitimate for that period, or anything pre-70s due to the horrible discrimination of the day. I love Baugh, Unitas, and Starr and Staubach, but there is no way that any of us can say that black QBs where given a fair shot at establishing themselves in the league.

    I have to rank Montana are the real #1 of all-time, but it is not clear, as I think that Elway would provide with a great argument. As far as the current talent at the position, I think that it is a Peyton v. Brady battle, and Breeze is certainly in the conversation. As far as Eli, I am a huge fan, and he is the best QB that I have ever seen, but I have to see him do a bit more to consider him as the best of his era. I hope that Eli does keep progressing as he has, and completely convinces me that is the supreme talent amongst his peers.

    As far as Favre is concerned. I can't stand his interception numbers. He lost as many games as he won by never being able to temper his high-risk high-reward approach to the position. He, along with Dan Marino are probably the best arms that I have ever seen.

    One player that gets dropped out of the conversation is Troy Aikman. Mainly because he played in a very conservative offense, he rarely was in the position where games where shoot-outs. McNabb also had a great career before completely coming apart in the last few years. Another player that gets looked over is Warren Moon. Lets remember that his team was as pass-heavy as could be, and he was more than exemplary at how to handle such responsibility.


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    Eli the best ever? Come on.. He just now started to play like what he is capable of.</P>


    Elway although he has two championships, Brady has 3 and is up there in numbers also surpassing Montana in manynumbers. Not only that, but both Montana and Brady are similar in style, stats, winning, MVPs with Brady still in his prime. This is why I am saying Brady is the greatest ever. </P>

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    if you mean Eli id like to have what your smoking and you mean Peyton hes all done he cant hold bradys jock strap

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    [quote user="THE_New_York_Giants"]Automatic Otto Graham.

    Nobody better than automatic Otto[/quote]im from cleveland bruh, and yea, otto was the truth. he never gets his just due credit. smh...

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    Eli will pass Brady if the Giants win next week.

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    [quote user="Moss#83"]Eli will pass Brady if the Giants win next week.[/quote] Not even close

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    Clserv than you think . If your going to argue Brady is better than Peyton because of the rings , and IF the Giants beat the Pats twice in the sb , than by your own logic 2-0 is better than 0-2 .

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    http://www.footballnation.com/conten...-better/13191/

    Still not even close but id say it makes eli better than peyton

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    [quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="flamethrower"]Too many opinions here to not cause flack.
    So the way I will do this is by picking a best of each Decade. And in the 1980's and beyond the game changed to a passing league. So better to have both the Champion, and the best Passer listed.
    1950's Otto Graham
    1960's Bart Starr, or Johnny Unitas.
    1970's Roger Staubach No way is Bradshaw in his class. Bradshaw was average, but had the better team.
    1980's Montana/Marino Championships vs Passing Numbers
    1990's John Elway/Brett Favre Championships vs passing numbers
    2000's Tom Brady/Peyton Manning* Championships vs Passing Numbers again.
    2010's current decade Eli Manning vs Drew Breeze I know kinda early on this one. But using what they have done so far they are the best 2.
    [/quote]

    Great post! I absolutely agree with this list.

    I would add Sammy Baugh for the 40s.
    It is hard to argue against Graham as being the greatest of all time.* The only problem that I have with the era, has mainly to do with the racism of the time and overall treatment of black players.* I don't consider much of professional sports as legitimate for that period, or anything pre-70s due to the horrible discrimination of the day.* I love Baugh, Unitas, and Starr and Staubach, but there is no way that any of us can say that black QBs where given a fair shot at establishing themselves in the league.

    I have to rank Montana are the real #1 of all-time, but it is not clear, as I think that Elway would provide with a great argument.* As far as the current talent at the position, I think that it is a Peyton v. Brady battle, and Breeze is certainly in the conversation.* As far as Eli, I am a huge fan, and he is the best QB that I have ever seen, but I have to see him do a bit more to consider him as the best of his era.* I hope that Eli does keep progressing as he has, and completely convinces me that is the supreme talent amongst his peers.

    As far as Favre is concerned.* I can't stand his interception numbers.* He lost as many games as he won by never being able to temper his high-risk high-reward approach to the position.* He, along with Dan Marino are probably the best arms that I have ever seen.

    One player that gets dropped out of the conversation is Troy Aikman.* Mainly because he played in a very conservative offense, he rarely was in the position where games where shoot-outs.* McNabb also had a great career before completely coming apart in the last few years.* Another player that gets looked over is Warren Moon.* Lets remember that his team was as pass-heavy as could be, and he was more than exemplary at how to handle such responsibility.


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    Not to discriminate, but to this day we have never had an above average black quarterback besides Warren Moon. in the NFL. Cam Newton has the potential to be the next. not saying there couldn't have been great ones back in the day, but even since the 70's, black QB's haven't really been that good. McNabb was average looking back on him. Too many losing seasons. same with Vick

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