[quote user="HarbaughFX"]It's unreal how giants fans wanted to fire coughlin and fewell over a month ago and now everybody is gushing over them. You are either for your team or you're not.

let's face it....giants are in the superbowl because they got help from the refs on the bradshaw fumble in san fran. Everyother play during the game was played out except that one.

I understand that sometimes you get calls and sometimes you don't, it's just the nature of the game. they mostly even out in the end. But after the giants played the packers both times this year the fans whined and complained about calls that went against them. They even complained about the calls after they WON. But when you got a call your way in san fran you tell niners fans to quit whining. can't have it both ways. if you are getting a call you need to at least admit it.

The more ****y the giants are the more the balance tilts in pats favorite. Brady is going to run a clinic on your secondary with his tightends. Just like alex smith and VD torched it. Eli is not an elite QB. he looked like a pee wee qb against the niners D.[/quote]

Not even close to the same thing.

The call on Bradshaw was not a fumble BY RULE. Forward progress is a criterion officials use, by rule, to make that call, and they did so.

The only people who question that are Niner Coaches and Niner fans. All the media folk who have reviewed the play and commented on it accept that it was the right call.

The fumble by Jennings in the Packer game, on the other hand was a foul up from beginning to end. First, one ref calls it a fumble. Then another ref calls it down by contact and reverses the call. Then Giants challenge the down by contact decision, and millions of us see the play in slow-mo and from every angle available. EVERY TV media person who commented on the play after seeing the replay commented that the ultimate decision to uphold the down by contact decision was wrong.

In the case of the Bradshaw non-fumble, the original call--upheld upon review--was based upon an OFFICIAL RULE.

In the case of the Jennings "non-fumble", the final decision was strictly a JUDGEMENT CALL that did not even have agreement among officials on the field, and that was--upon review--incorrectly upheld by the head judge.

See the difference? No? Bummer.

Further, you could make an argument that the Ravens should be in the Super Bowl, not the Patriots, if not for the missed last second "chip shot" FG by an elite kicker. But you don't, do you?

Last, but not least, do not lump all Giants fans in one pile of stupidity.

Yes, it's true that there were several loud idiots on this board, and more than a few of the intellectually challenged sports "journalists, that were calling for Coughlin's head 6 weeks ago.

Guess what? Those same morons call for Coughlin's head EVERY year. And after EVERY loss every year.

Not all of us are so short-sighted that we cannot see farther than our beer gut.

Wait until next year, or if not next year the one after, when your beloved Niners don't make it to the playoffs (forget the Super Bowl)--primarily because your FO decides to retain Smith as your QB with a huge Kolb-like ridiculous contract and he falls on his face.

See how many of your fellow fans are holding to your "you are either for your team or you're not".

Especially when it turns out you could have had Peyton Manning, but you didn't go after him due to your signing of Smith.

And I especially enjoyed your dismissal of Eli's performance vs the Niners.

Even analysts--and HOF QBs such as Terry Bradshaw--who have been up and down in their assessments of Eli over the past 8 years, have ALL commented this past week on how impressed they were with Eli in that game, and that if they hadn't already admitted Eli was among the best current Qbs before last Sunday, they all do now.

Eli the "pee wee QB" dropped back 64 times--SIXTY FOUR times--and although he was sacked 6 times, yes, he had ZERO turnovers. ZERO turnovers against the "BEST TEAM" IN TAKE AWAYS.

As for Brady's "clinic" on our secondary. No one here will deny Brady can do damage, if anyone can.

But your Alex-Vernon "torching" of our DBs resulted in 2 plays that were TDs. Congratulations. You also had ZERO 3rd down conversions--and ZERO receptions by any WR--until the very end of the game when it was too little too late. And who won, again?

News flash--we have already played Pats this year, and were also "torched" by their 2 All Pro TEs, just like we were "torched" by Vernon.

And, just like in our game vs SF last Sunday, we won that NE game, as well.

NEXT?