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    KEVIN GILBRIDE'S "OPTION" OFFENSE IN PASSING GAME FUELS GIANTS



    KEVIN GILBRIDE'S "OPTION" OFFENSE IN PASSING GAME FUELS GIANTS



    "The hands clap and the huddle breaks and the receivers jog out to their
    positions. Kevin Gilbride has
    already relayed the play to Eli Manning, but the
    receivers still have no idea where they’re going to go.



    That’s part of the beauty of the Gilbride offense. Everything the receivers
    do is based on what happens next. Is there man-to-man coverage or a zone? Which
    way are the safeties shading? Are the corners pressing on the line or leaving a
    cushion?




    Then, when the ball is snapped and the defense goes in motion, everything
    could change...again.




    “Yeah, it’s definitely tough,” says receiver Victor Cruz. “It’s one
    of the biggest things I had to adjust to, learning how to read coverages and
    adjust mid-route. We had a few read-routes in college, but nothing to this
    extent where it’s 15 yards down field and you have to make an adjustment.
    Sometimes they may line up one way, then when the ball comes they move to
    somewhere else. So you have to see all of that.”




    It’s a demanding system. It can be confusing. It can be frustrating, too,
    especially to a young player. It’s also explosive, “quarterback-friendly,”
    potent, and the most prolific offensive system the Giants franchise has ever
    seen.




    “That’s the beauty of it,” says backup quarterback David Carr.
    “When we’re rolling, it’s hard to stop.”




    That’s what the 60-year-old Gilbride has created in his eighth season with
    the Giants and fifth since taking over as the offensive coordinator. He’s helped
    turn Eli Manning from an erratic, interception-prone quarterback into a
    near-5,000-yard passer. He’s built an offensive machine that has rallied from
    six fourth-quarter deficits this year. It can strike so quickly, the Giants
    never feel like they’re out of a game.




    And he’s done that with a rebuilding offensive line, the 32nd-ranked rushing
    attack in the league, and a tight end (Jake Ballard) and star
    receiver (Victor Cruz) who had never had a single catch in the NFL before this
    year.




    Manning gets all the credit, and much of it is deserved. But it’s not like
    he’s on the field drawing up plays in the dirt.




    “Eli’s playing so well and that’s a tribute to Kevin,” says former Giants
    quarterbacks coach Chris Palmer, who is
    now the offensive coordinator with the Tennessee Titans. “The guy is an
    outstanding football coach and does a great job. What is perceived about him and
    what is real is not necessarily one and the same. Kevin should get a lot of
    credit for the success they’ve had this year.”




    Ask anyone in the locker room, and Gilbride does get the credit. Tom
    Coughlin
    praises his ability as a teacher and his players praise his
    patience and the way he calls a game. It drives them crazy that he’s a target
    for angry fans, who sometimes call him “Killdrive” when games don’t go the
    Giants’ way.

    He’s always had a reputation problem, though, dating back to his days running
    the run-and-shoot offense with the Houston Oilers (1990-94). Gilbride got a
    label he couldn’t shake when former Oilers defensive coordinator Buddy
    Ryan
    famously called his wide-open passing attack the “chuck-and-duck” and
    then even more famously when Rex’s dad tried to punch him on the sidelines in
    the middle of a game.



    Yes, Gilbride may look like a pass-happy coordinator at times, but it’s easy
    to forget that in 2008 the Giants had the NFL’s seventh-best offense with the
    No. 1 rushing attack. In fact, in three of his five seasons as offensive
    coordinator, the Giants’ rushing attack was ranked higher than its passing
    attack in the league.




    What makes Gilbride appear pass-happy is this: He runs what everyone
    considers a “quarterback-friendly” offense that puts a lot of responsibility on
    the receivers and control in the quarterbacks’ hands. They throw because they
    can. And it works.




    “A lot is asked of the quarterback,” Carr says. “You’ve got the freedom to do
    pretty much whatever you want. The playbook’s open to you. You’ve got to be on
    your game. But if you are, it’s a great thing.”




    Explained very simply, Manning has the ability to change the play to almost
    anything in that week’s game plan, based on what he sees in the defensive
    alignment. And when he calls a pass play, the receivers have several options to
    change their routes on each play, depending on what the defense does. It’s
    complicated and hard to learn, and it can be very tricky for the quarterback and
    receiver to make sure they’re seeing exactly the same thing out of each
    defender.




    Because there are so many options in Gilbride’s offense, though, when it’s
    run correctly there are more chances for it to work.




    “You give the receivers several options to get open and when guys get open
    you, as a quarterback, have an opportunity to throw the ball,” Palmer says.
    “When a receiver doesn’t get open, that becomes a burden. It’s reassuring to the
    quarterback that ‘Hey, one of these guys are going to get open.’ I would say on
    most plays there’s going to be a guy that’s open in this offense.”




    “I’ve been in offenses where it’s all based on progressions - 1, 2, 3, find
    the back,” Carr adds. “There’s some of that. But we’re trying to scheme. We’re
    trying to find the best possible play vs. that defense at that time to just gash
    them. That’s why it works.”




    It also works because Gilbride is an outstanding teacher and someone that, as
    Coughlin says, can “evaluate your talent and see what they can and cannot do.”
    He was the quarterbacks coach through the first three years of Manning’s career,
    learned his strengths and his weaknesses well, developed a special bond with him
    and helped him grow into the Pro Bowler he is today.

    “Coach Gilbride and I have a very close relationship,” Manning says. “When I
    first got here, he was the quarterbacks coach, so I got to kind of learn from
    him, and hearing him directly and watching old film of the Oilers and different
    things when they were running it. We think the same way on a lot of things and
    certain looks. A lot of times he doesn’t even need to finish his sentence,
    because I’m already on the same page.”



    Sure, it helps that Gilbride likes to throw. A lot. He even jokes that
    Coughlin sometimes sits in on the offensive meetings just “to make sure I don’t
    veer too far off of the reservation and throw the ball 65 times in a game or
    something like that.” Manning says Gilbride calls plays with “a quarterback
    mentality.” And while he’ll go with whatever’s working, it’s obvious what he
    prefers.




    “If we’re not running it really well and we’re throwing it well, I’ll just go
    up to him and say, ‘Hey, they can’t stop us throwing it. Let’s just keep
    throwing it,’?” Manning says. “And he kind of gets a smile. I think that’s what
    he likes to hear.”




    That’s the way the NFL is now - a pass-first league - which makes Gilbride
    the ideal offensive coordinator for this era. If he were 15 years younger his
    work with the Giants might have already earned him a head coaching job
    somewhere. He’d probably still be an attractive candidate if he hadn’t already
    had a failed stint as a head coach with the San Diego Chargers in 1997-98, when
    he was run out of town with a 6-16 record after he couldn’t connect with his
    hot-headed rookie quarterback, Ryan Leaf.




    When those 22 games are added to his image problem, it helps paint a picture
    that belies the numbers his offenses regularly produce. It also paints a picture
    his players believe is completely unfair.




    “I don’t think he gets enough credit,” says guard Chris Snee. “I
    feel like I always hear a lot of negative stuff about him. He’s the first one
    everyone wants to blame for play calling and things like that, but I think he
    does a great job.”




    Some might say it’s the best job Gilbride has done in his five years running
    the Giants’ offense.




    Considering the players the Giants lost before the season started, the
    injuries that forced him to reshuffle his line and play four games without his
    starting running back, and how he helped turn a blocking tight end and an
    unknown receiver into stars, it might be the best job he’s done in his 23 years
    in the league.




    “I’d rather let you answer that than me,” Gilbride says. “Let me just say
    that I’m very proud of the guys that I work with. We started with five new guys
    and then we had all of the injuries and the youth and the guys who haven’t
    played and some of the things that we ask them to do. You don’t just, in our
    offense, go out and run a 12-yard curl or a 10-yard in-cut. We ask them to read
    a lot of things. We put a lot of pressure on receivers to see things as a
    quarterback would. It’s very difficult as a coach to get those things
    coordinated.




    “So to see them grow like that - obviously, what are you? You’re a teacher.
    When you’re a teacher and you can see your pupils getting better and feel like
    you contributed, you’re very proud of their growth and development. So you feel,
    ‘Maybe I helped them a little bit.’”




    Not that he ever gets the credit for that. He’s too busy taking the blame
    when everything doesn’t work to perfection.




    “I think it’s just the nature of the position,” Carr says. “I think he does a
    good job just by not paying attention to it. He’s going to be who he is.
    Nobody’s going to change him now.”

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1






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    KG teacher,the Giants and there fan's don't know how lucky we have been to have him and TC!!

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    Such an underrated coordinator. I had a huge post about the type of offense Gilbride runs which I can't find. Simply put, when the receivers and QB are on the same page, with all the option routes (which was a dirty word earlier in the year) the offense is almost unstoppable.

    Watch SoundFX on www.nfl.com, Carlos Rogers, one of the BEST corners this year (on the Niners), Carlos Rogers was saying of Victor Cruz, something along the lines of "I can't stop him, I run inside he runs outside". I think film study is what sets Nicks and Cruz apart from the mighty talented Manningham. That's why a meticulous player like Steve Smith as even Plax would be a great addition to our offense.

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    Lol Thanks for this thread...Im a huge fan of Kevin Gilbride and this coaching staff. Since Coughlin and Gilbride came together, we have put up some potent numbers Offensively and we do it with a healthy balance of run and pass. The Giants of the past, was a conversative running the ball with a game managing QB.

    Why would any1 want Gilbride and Eli Manning separated? Eli Manning has flourished in this offense, and this offense makes us unpredictable when our receivers run routes. The coaching staff does a good job getting Cruz and Ballard ready for an offense like this.... U hear all this praise for Reese, but Reese didnt choose Cruz based on this type of offense because Cruz said this offense was different. That SHOWS THIS COACHING STAFF puts players in the best position to succeed. This coaching staff and Eli Manning deserves alot of credit getting these young guys ready.

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    [quote user="RoanokeFan"]"Eli’s playing so well and that’s a tribute to Kevin,” says former Giants
    quarterbacks coach Chris Palmer, who is
    now the offensive coordinator with the Tennessee Titans. “The guy is an
    outstanding football coach and does a great job. What is perceived about him and
    what is real is not necessarily one and the same. Kevin should get a lot of
    credit for the success they’ve had this year.”[/quote]Yeah but what does he know? LOL

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    Sure the guy is phenomenal when it comes to a passing attack. Setting up a passing scheme for a game, im not sure there are many coaches that are better. But thats where it stops for me..

    The problem presents itself when he refuses to change and adapt to how our team is playing in a game. Our running game can be on fire (not much this year) and he will abandon the run and throw it 4-6 straight times. We have all seen games where AB and BJ are having there was with a defense in the second half and then... It stops..

    When he does call a running play, id give it a solid 40% of the time the play doesnt play to the strength of the player called. Tosses to BJ to the outside for example. That is NOT his strength. BJ is best attacking the LOS and then bouncing it to the outside at the 2nd lvl. He needs to get straight speed first and that allows his big body to be more agile.

    Then we can talk about the WR Screens that avg about .3 yds an attempt. Or perhaps we should talk about 3rd and 2 we throw a 50 yard bomb to the endzone for an incompletion.

    My largest problem with Gilbride is his inability to design short gain plays. Everything is either a run, bomb or god awful WR screen. We need more pass plays that take advantage of short yardage.

    Every single Giants fan can attest to the fact that they are more confident in a 3rd and 6 situation then a 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 1. Why? Because Gilbride focuses so much on attacking downfield he sometimes forgets to simple MOVE THE CHAINS.

    And Gilbride has NOTHING to do with Eli having a phenomenal game after getting his *** kicked by the 49ers. In fact, it was Gilbrides long passing attempts that allowed Eli to get manhandled like he did. Sorry but if we lost that game or Eli got injured, we are talking about Gilbrides head on a platter for having Eli throw the ball 60 times in a game.

    Sorry, I am not buying it. In my honest opinion, we would be putting up similar numbers with or without Gilbride. I give him solid credit for his passing schemes as they are very solid. But as an overall OC, I simply do not like his passing bias or his play calling.

    Be honest guys, he has made just as many crappy play calls as he has made good ones.

    I'm simply not buying this.. I prefer a more balanced offense. Who is to say Kevin isnt a large part of why our running game hasnt been good this year. If he is getting the passing praise, he should get the running failure.

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    [quote user="gmen0820"]Such an underrated coordinator. I had a huge post about the type of offense Gilbride runs which I can't find. Simply put, when the receivers and QB are on the same page, with all the option routes (which was a dirty word earlier in the year) the offense is almost unstoppable.

    Watch SoundFX on www.nfl.com, Carlos Rogers, one of the BEST corners this year (on the Niners), Carlos Rogers was saying of Victor Cruz, something along the lines of "I can't stop him, I run inside he runs outside". I think film study is what sets Nicks and Cruz apart from the mighty talented Manningham. That's why a meticulous player like Steve Smith as even Plax would be a great addition to our offense.[/quote]

    As frustrating as the Giants O can be at times, too many people just don't realize how much is going on there (something I always bring up when people are complaining about the playclock running down).

    IMO, what makes Nicks/Cruz so damn good is that they are ALWAYS with Eli and Gilbride, studying and trying to get better.

    Its not that I don't think 'Rio can be the same type of player... he put up some great numbers last year. However, I sometimes think the offense is just too complicated for him. IIRC, he had one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever. Maybe he should have been a DB? There's an inverse correlation between wonderlic scores and CB ability (the best CB's have the worst scores). He's definitely got the athleticism for it.

    That's also why I'd like to see Barden get a shot as the slot guy next season. He's got a reputation as a very smart/studious player and took the time to show up to Camp Eli even though he couldn't participate.

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    [quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="gmen0820"]Such an underrated coordinator. I had a huge post about the type of offense Gilbride runs which I can't find. Simply put, when the receivers and QB are on the same page, with all the option routes (which was a dirty word earlier in the year) the offense is almost unstoppable.

    Watch SoundFX on www.nfl.com, Carlos Rogers, one of the BEST corners this year (on the Niners), Carlos Rogers was saying of Victor Cruz, something along the lines of "I can't stop him, I run inside he runs outside". I think film study is what sets Nicks and Cruz apart from the mighty talented Manningham. That's why a meticulous player like Steve Smith as even Plax would be a great addition to our offense.[/quote]

    As frustrating as the Giants O can be at times, too many people just don't realize how much is going on there (something I always bring up when people are complaining about the playclock running down).

    IMO, what makes Nicks/Cruz so damn good is that they are ALWAYS with Eli and Gilbride, studying and trying to get better.

    Its not that I don't think 'Rio can be the same type of player... he put up some great numbers last year. However, I sometimes think the offense is just too complicated for him. IIRC, he had one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever. Maybe he should have been a DB? There's an inverse correlation between wonderlic scores and CB ability (the best CB's have the worst scores). He's definitely got the athleticism for it.

    That's also why I'd like to see Barden get a shot as the slot guy next season. He's got a reputation as a very smart/studious player and took the time to show up to Camp Eli even though he couldn't participate.
    [/quote]Definitely agreed on all fronts. I'd love to bring Smith back if possible.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Barden as our slot guy next year, since I love Cruz's prospects on the outside and since Barden has stated he is comfortable in the slot (and what a weapon in the slot he can be on paper, a 6-6 guy matching up against small nickel corners), if he can stay healthy, get off the line of scrimmage, play a little tougher and put it in a **** ton of time with KG, Eli and the core. He seems to have the character to do it, but will his body hold up and can he play a little tougher.

    If not, I am open to bringing a Steve Smith or even possibly a Plaxico Burress back, who in his second year back, I feel, in an offense he is comfortable in and a QB who is just heads and shoulders and toes above Sanchez, he can be a huge threat.

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    [quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="gmen0820"]Such an underrated coordinator. I had a huge post about the type of offense Gilbride runs which I can't find. Simply put, when the receivers and QB are on the same page, with all the option routes (which was a dirty word earlier in the year) the offense is almost unstoppable.

    Watch SoundFX on www.nfl.com, Carlos Rogers, one of the BEST corners this year (on the Niners), Carlos Rogers was saying of Victor Cruz, something along the lines of "I can't stop him, I run inside he runs outside". I think film study is what sets Nicks and Cruz apart from the mighty talented Manningham. That's why a meticulous player like Steve Smith as even Plax would be a great addition to our offense.[/quote]

    As frustrating as the Giants O can be at times, too many people just don't realize how much is going on there (something I always bring up when people are complaining about the playclock running down).

    IMO, what makes Nicks/Cruz so damn good is that they are ALWAYS with Eli and Gilbride, studying and trying to get better.

    Its not that I don't think 'Rio can be the same type of player... he put up some great numbers last year. However, I sometimes think the offense is just too complicated for him. IIRC, he had one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever. Maybe he should have been a DB? There's an inverse correlation between wonderlic scores and CB ability (the best CB's have the worst scores). He's definitely got the athleticism for it.

    That's also why I'd like to see Barden get a shot as the slot guy next season. He's got a reputation as a very smart/studious player and took the time to show up to Camp Eli even though he couldn't participate.
    [/quote]Definitely agreed on all fronts. I'd love to bring Smith back if possible.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Barden as our slot guy next year, since I love Cruz's prospects on the outside and since Barden has stated he is comfortable in the slot (and what a weapon in the slot he can be on paper, a 6-6 guy matching up against small nickel corners), if he can stay healthy, get off the line of scrimmage, play a little tougher and put it in a **** ton of time with KG, Eli and the core. He seems to have the character to do it, but will his body hold up and can he play a little tougher.

    If not, I am open to bringing a Steve Smith or even possibly a Plaxico Burress back, who in his second year back, I feel, in an offense he is comfortable in and a QB who is just heads and shoulders and toes above Sanchez, he can be a huge threat.[/quote]

    I don't think Barden's toughness is really a problem. The few times he's seen the field, he played plenty tough (laying a nice block on Cruz's 99yrd TD run, or just manhandling the Pats' D on a couple crucial 3rd downs the first time the teams met). IMO, the big reason why he hasn't been in the lineup is because of what Thomas offers on ST's, and the fact that the current lineup is working so well, so why change it?

    Also, I think JJ12 has gotten lost in the shuffle a bit, but he's a smart kid as well, and very tough (you have to be when you're going over the middle and EVERYBODY knows you ARE the offense)

    If the front office/coaches bring Smith back, I'd welcome him back, but if they want to continue to move on, that's fine by me as well. I trust them, but I also worry that rushing back to play may have done lasting damage to his knee. I don't need to see Plax back. I don't think he's matured any since he was last here.

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    Re: KEVIN GILBRIDE'S "OPTION" OFFENSE IN PASSING GAME FUELS GIANTS

    [quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="gmen0820"]Such an underrated coordinator. I had a huge post about the type of offense Gilbride runs which I can't find. Simply put, when the receivers and QB are on the same page, with all the option routes (which was a dirty word earlier in the year) the offense is almost unstoppable.

    Watch SoundFX on www.nfl.com, Carlos Rogers, one of the BEST corners this year (on the Niners), Carlos Rogers was saying of Victor Cruz, something along the lines of "I can't stop him, I run inside he runs outside". I think film study is what sets Nicks and Cruz apart from the mighty talented Manningham. That's why a meticulous player like Steve Smith as even Plax would be a great addition to our offense.[/quote]

    As frustrating as the Giants O can be at times, too many people just don't realize how much is going on there (something I always bring up when people are complaining about the playclock running down).

    IMO, what makes Nicks/Cruz so damn good is that they are ALWAYS with Eli and Gilbride, studying and trying to get better.

    Its not that I don't think 'Rio can be the same type of player... he put up some great numbers last year. However, I sometimes think the offense is just too complicated for him. IIRC, he had one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever. Maybe he should have been a DB? There's an inverse correlation between wonderlic scores and CB ability (the best CB's have the worst scores). He's definitely got the athleticism for it.

    That's also why I'd like to see Barden get a shot as the slot guy next season. He's got a reputation as a very smart/studious player and took the time to show up to Camp Eli even though he couldn't participate.
    [/quote]Definitely agreed on all fronts. I'd love to bring Smith back if possible.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Barden as our slot guy next year, since I love Cruz's prospects on the outside and since Barden has stated he is comfortable in the slot (and what a weapon in the slot he can be on paper, a 6-6 guy matching up against small nickel corners), if he can stay healthy, get off the line of scrimmage, play a little tougher and put it in a **** ton of time with KG, Eli and the core. He seems to have the character to do it, but will his body hold up and can he play a little tougher.

    If not, I am open to bringing a Steve Smith or even possibly a Plaxico Burress back, who in his second year back, I feel, in an offense he is comfortable in and a QB who is just heads and shoulders and toes above Sanchez, he can be a huge threat.[/quote]

    I don't think Barden's toughness is really a problem. The few times he's seen the field, he played plenty tough (laying a nice block on Cruz's 99yrd TD run, or just manhandling the Pats' D on a couple crucial 3rd downs the first time the teams met). IMO, the big reason why he hasn't been in the lineup is because of what Thomas offers on ST's, and the fact that the current lineup is working so well, so why change it?

    Also, I think JJ12 has gotten lost in the shuffle a bit, but he's a smart kid as well, and very tough (you have to be when you're going over the middle and EVERYBODY knows you ARE the offense)

    If the front office/coaches bring Smith back, I'd welcome him back, but if they want to continue to move on, that's fine by me as well. I trust them, but I also worry that rushing back to play may have done lasting damage to his knee. I don't need to see Plax back. I don't think he's matured any since he was last here.

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