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    In the years that the Pats did not win the SB since 2001, the AFC won 6 titles and the NFC won 6.
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    The AFC isn't that bad, but the AFCE certainly is.

    Ryan Tannehill is the closest thing to a franchise QB that division has put out since 2001. Let that sink in.

    That's a big reason the pats are 77-22 in that time frame against their div, meaning they usually get 5 easy wins per season against weak competition.

    And if you haven't noticed the Pats away record in the playoffs, while still impressive, isn't nearly as dominant as their home record.

    And if you'll also notice, the Pats have had HFA in the AFCCG in 6 of their 7 super bowl bids.

    They are 1-3 in AFCCGs away from Gillette.



    And that's not even touching the possible cheating that they've done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ntegrase96 View Post
    The AFC isn't that bad, but the AFCE certainly is.

    Ryan Tannehill is the closest thing to a franchise QB that division has put out since 2001. Let that sink in.

    That's a big reason the pats are 77-22 in that time frame against their div, meaning they usually get 5 easy wins per season against weak competition.

    And if you haven't noticed the Pats away record in the playoffs, while still impressive, isn't nearly as dominant as their home record.

    And if you'll also notice, the Pats have had HFA in the AFCCG in 6 of their 7 super bowl bids.

    They are 1-3 in AFCCGs away from Gillette.



    And that's not even touching the possible cheating that they've done.
    THIS.. When you think about it that Division has been so bad that NE can pretty much count on being 6-0 Every year in it. Then historically at least one of the other Divisions each year have been terrible top to bottom and some of the others had one or two really bad teams in them.

    There were years the AFCW was horrible or the South minus the Colts or North minus Pitt and sometimes the Ravens. So if that was the division they had that year then there's another automatic 4 wins. That's 9/10 wins a season just looking at those divisions over past 16 years.. then they got one of the NFC Divisions each year and depending on who they got that could be another 2-3 wins

    So when u look at it like that your competing for the best record every year and once you have that you win your 1st Playoff game and your playing to be in the SB

    I agree what's been said about BB above however. It's like a plug and play roster. Whoever he puts in gets it done year in year out

    As far as Young picking Handley over bill and saying we would of been the NE if the NFC had we kept him.. Not so fast. Would the giants have been patient with him and kept him through his coaching growing pains??

    He was not successful right away in fact he was a flop in his first 10 years being a total failure in Cleveland outside of one 11-5 season sandwiched in with a bunch of really bad ones from 91-95
    Then he is fired and can't get another HC gig do he takes a Asst HC/ Secondary Coach with NE for 1 Season in 96. Then goes to the Jets for the 97,98 & 99 Seasons in the same roll

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    Maybe he would of had quicker success if Giants had offered him their HC position?? Seeing he was already so familiar with the team. But his drafting with Cleveland was not all that great in his Four years there.
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
    4-New York Giants!!!
    5-NE
    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    Guess will never know if the Gmen would have 2-5 more SB appearances or more if he was coach. Heck if he was HC from 91 to present that is 26 years so say he struggles and they stick with him. Maybe it is the Giants with 7 + SB Appearances. That would be 4 more then they had without him and probably would of been good for at least two more Titles
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
    4-New York Giants!!!
    5-NE
    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    Quote Originally Posted by miked1958 View Post
    THIS.. When you think about it that Division has been so bad that NE can pretty much count on being 6-0 Every year in it. Then historically at least one of the other Divisions each year have been terrible top to bottom and some of the others had one or two really bad teams in them.

    There were years the AFCW was horrible or the South minus the Colts or North minus Pitt and sometimes the Ravens. So if that was the division they had that year then there's another automatic 4 wins. That's 9/10 wins a season just looking at those divisions over past 16 years.. then they got one of the NFC Divisions each year and depending on who they got that could be another 2-3 wins

    So when u look at it like that your competing for the best record every year and once you have that you win your 1st Playoff game and your playing to be in the SB

    I agree what's been said about BB above however. It's like a plug and play roster. Whoever he puts in gets it done year in year out

    As far as Young picking Handley over bill and saying we would of been the NE if the NFC had we kept him.. Not so fast. Would the giants have been patient with him and kept him through his coaching growing pains??

    He was not successful right away in fact he was a flop in his first 10 years being a total failure in Cleveland outside of one 11-5 season sandwiched in with a bunch of really bad ones from 91-95
    Then he is fired and can't get another HC gig do he takes a Asst HC/ Secondary Coach with NE for 1 Season in 96. Then goes to the Jets for the 97,98 & 99 Seasons in the same roll

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    Maybe he would of had quicker success if Giants had offered him their HC position?? Seeing he was already so familiar with the team. But his drafting with Cleveland was not all that great in his Four years there.
    Don't get me wrong. It's still impressive to be consistently good and Belichick is a legit coach.

    But it's impossible to ignore the cakewalk they've gotten for nearly two decades now during the regular season and the effect it's had on them reaching the SB.

    Because other than 2007 and the dynasty days, the Pats really haven't fielded an overwhelmingly good team. The '15 Panthers are a better team than any team the Pats have fielded other than those years.

    The difference is the Pats get more opportunities to cash in, and quite frankly they owe it to an unusual set of circumstances regarding a weak division.

    The NFCE has 5 guys right now that you could consider franchise QBs. 5!

    That's 4 more than the AFCE has provided since 2001. It's just insane.

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    It helps that the Jets are in their division, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BronxBomberBlue View Post
    It helps that the Jets are in their division, lol.
    Well as me and Ntegrase have been discussing Buffalo and Miami have been pretty consistently terrible over that span as well. Outside of a few glitch Season where the Jets had a decent year and sometimes Miami they have had cakewalk in that Division every year. Even in the years when one of the others were decent they still were never good enough to dethrone the Pats for long

    If it was the Giants or Dallas doing this year in year out it would be because the NFC Least stinks. But you hardly ever hear anyone in the media talking about how bad the AFCE is while they trip over themselves praising NE
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
    4-New York Giants!!!
    5-NE
    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    The Patriots FO is pretty good too.

  9. #19
    I live in Massachusetts. I am a Giants fan. I despise the Patriots and their fans.

    Now that we have that out of the way...

    The Patriots division stinks because they're so good. The Jets, Dolphins and Bills all make irrational personnel decisions trying to compete and keep up with New England. They fire coaches all the time and have no continuity. Those teams are always trying to start over, meanwhile New England is already there. The organization is well run. The owner keeps out of team matters and lets Belichick and the football staff do their thing.

    Bill doesn't get sentimental with players and knows exactly when to move on. He out works the other coaches and is just plain smarter. He doesn't let the outside noise get to him. He's laser focused. They are so well prepared. The get an injury... next man up. They're getting out schemed in game, go to plan B. He looks for every advantage and is willing to play "fast and loose" with the rule book (Spygate, Deflategate, Messing around with different formations, etc.). Most coaches and teams are defeated and demoralized before they step on the field. They never lose to Pittsburgh, Colts, KC, etc. Those teams hardly defeat New England.

    Keep this in mind Brady and Belichick have been together since 2000. That's almost 17 years. No teams main guys stay together that long. Their egos haven't broke them up. They love what they do and their still hungry to win. They're not like Rex Ryan who gets excited for a big win and then they play like garbage the next week because they were still celebrating the prior week.Bill really means he's onto "Atlanta" or onto "Pittsburgh". They are a step ahead of everyone. I believe Bill when he said he didn't know Atlanta won. He wins and he is already on to next week.

    I just hope the Falcons win. I can't deal with these people talking about their "dynasty". They have struggled in the Super Bowl when they get there. They usually play close games.

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    I totally agree with all your points on why NE & B&B have been so successful since 2001. The Giants have been one of the few teams that does not get intimidated when playing NE. Even last yr when we stunk & had the worst D in the NFL we were a dropped Landon Collins int from beating a then 9-0 team in our house & we ended up losing by 1 damn point! Us & Seattle are pretty much the only NFC teams to beat NE in their house like in the past decade. Teams from both conferences are already mentaly defeated when going into Gillette stadium. I wish the Giants had that type of mystique in Metlife. We almost went 8-0 this yr, so hopefully that's a start to us being a team that will be very tough to beat in our house. We need to be like NE & always go 6-2 or better at home. Makes it easier to just play 500 ball on the rd & still win 10+ games. That's been a big part of NE's success, their ability to always win 80% or more of their home games & to always win 4+ div games on a yearly basis. 2 sure ways to win the div every yr. Problem is the the Cowboys, Skins & Eagles are better teams than the Jets/Bills/Dolphins.
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