No. 23 is not like a top 10 pick. Drafting Ramcyzk or Lamp will be value pick. Hoping the JPP fiasco gets settle this week.
You are making yourself look stupid. O Line start off in a stance and kickslide backwards as you ve stated. Their not running straight forward so your logic of the 40 is invalid. O Line focus on short area quickness, with techniques and angle, long arms and a punch.
Having a fast 40 is pretty much insignificant for O Line because the kickslide revolves around short area of quickness and technique. They go backwards not forward. Yes you need technique for speed rushers because most of the time you are cutting off their angles. Power for the bullrushers.
David bakhtiari one of the premier LT ran a 5.18. 40 times are insignificant. Joe Thomas was 4.98.
The 40 is pretty much one of the many factors to evaluate athleticism for O line purposes only. It's totally different measurable for DB and WR obviously.
I would probably go with Bolles out of all of them. Can't knock the age of 25 when the top free agent this year was 35. But would rather wait and see which one slips to the second round. Maybe we trade down like we did last year for Collins and get someone early in the 2nd.
You are talking to someone who played basketball their entire life. I know all about slide stepping... you do it every time on defense. Bring someone out to the 3 point line who runs a 5.3 in a 40 yard dash against a player who runs a 4.6 and there is no way that 5.3 player is stopping that 4.6 guy from getting to the basket. Been there done that my friend. 5.3 is not going to slide fast enough to stop the 4.6 guy from getting past him. 5.3, 40 time is like a slow center and 4.6 is like a quick shooting guard. That removes the hands out the equation (can't touch in basketball). Now that NFL player in the 5.3 time is going to start getting grabby after awhile once he gets beaten a few times by pure speed. The 4.6 guy has the advantage. Remember Michael Strahan in his prime? He was a master in mind games. He would confuse the OL into thinking he was going to beat them with pure speed, they would try sliding as fast as they could, then he would bull rush them by using their momentum to push them back.
Flowers has bad feet my friend. He gets beat so much with speed then he starts grabbing and gets holding penalties. He should be a guard not a LT. I guess we can disagree but I don't see Flowers getting any better at LT. These guys in the NFL are getting faster and faster. Jadeveon Clowney ran a ridiculous 4.53 a few years ago. The 40 time record was broken this year at the combine. You mind as well be a dinosaur running a 5.3 on the O-line. Look at all of these top OL prospects being busts. Luke Joeckel (2nd pick in 2013) has been a bust (he ran a 5.3). D.J. Fluker ran a 5.3 at the combine (11th overall pick). Ereck Flowers ran a 5.3 in the 40. Riley Reiff ran a 5.23 (not quite 5.3) and he's been mediocre (but he was selected number 23 overall not as high as others). I went back all the way to 2013 looking all of the top OL prospects just for fun and there is one thing in common that I see (look for yourself). All of the top TACKLE prospects that ran a 5.3 have not lived up to their draft selection. Meanwhile almost every top TACKLE prospect that has ran a sub 5 second 40 has. I kid you not. Go check it out if you don't believe me. See a common theme here with slow 40 times? Statistically if you run a 5.3 40 and you are a Tackle the chances of you being a dominate Tackle in the NFL is slim. The stats prove this.
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Lamp is my personal #1 this year. Bolles seems legit and I think they say he has the best feet in the draft. I also heard he struggles with speed rushers sometimes so that is worrisome. Would be good with either though. Lamp just seems like he will be the best.
LT (132.5) -> Strahan (141.5) -> Osi (65) -> Tuck (60.5) -> JPP (50) -> ???
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First off, logically, the 10 yard split from the 40 is far more important when forecasting a speed rush.
An Olinemans 40 means absolutely nothing in regards to pass protection unless we're using the 28 and a half step drop.
Flowers has issues getting upright to quickly that effect his change of direction more then his "slow feet" which still plague him today.
At any rate, your use of logic in defending your point of 40 times running forward somehow correlating to pass protection skill moving backwards is quite, illogical.
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