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    Quote Originally Posted by jomo View Post
    I have been thinking about this for a while and would appreciate any hard data you all may have on the subject.

    We have had a string of top receivers, get beat up badly resulting in shortened careers.

    Ike Hilliard, Steve Smith, Hakeem Nick and Victor Cruz come quickly to mind.

    Is this typical of most teams that their WR have such short careers?
    I don't know, but it probably doesn't help longevity to have WR1/2 primary KR/PR targets


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    Quote Originally Posted by jomo View Post
    I have been thinking about this for a while and would appreciate any hard data you all may have on the subject.

    We have had a string of top receivers, get beat up badly resulting in shortened careers.

    Ike Hilliard, Steve Smith, Hakeem Nick and Victor Cruz come quickly to mind.

    Is this typical of most teams that their WR have such short careers?
    Plax and ODB are the only ones to get to a healthy, productive 3rd year and Plax as we know didn't finish the 4th in a row, you can do it ODB.

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    idk if Giants receivers are injured any more than other teams. it may be a "wave" that hits a team at any given date or time. Giants injures at any position are magnified because they are our players.

    I haven't done any research on receiver injuries on any team but it doesn't appear to be just a Giants problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliordie View Post
    Turf has a lot to do with it (though our string of bad luck is still unusual)

    When the league got rid of grass and implemented turf they traded safety for quality, on grass you will have less torn ACLs (your spikes actually have something to drive INTO, absorbing some of the impact that would otherwise all be put directly on your leg) but you will have more slippage and it's a slower surface
    Cruz got hurt on grass in philly. The first nicks injury also happened on grass in tampa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YATittle1962 View Post
    you can do this for any position on the field ... all 22

    what we should be looking at is how the hell has Eli NOT been injured
    while i do agree, the giants WR curse is one very crazy thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbluejeep8888 View Post
    Cruz got hurt on grass in philly. The first nicks injury also happened on grass in tampa.
    My friend tore an ACL on grass, you can tear a ligament walking down the street, what's your point?

    It's proven that you're more susceptible to it on turf, really it's common sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxmeth View Post
    Like I said previously, I don't think what you're asking for can be figured out by data unless you draw some lines in the sand about what you're looking for. How do we define a top WR? How do we separate an injury prematurely ending a career as opposed to an injury happening and then poor play ending a career? Eventually most wide receivers that were good will end up having an injury that will force retirement, so where do we cut it off age-wise? Do we include players that were already known injury risks prior to drafting/signing like an Alshon Jeffrey for the Eagles?

    I could look for or conjure up data points if I knew what you wanted in a way that data could be produced. Right now you're just telling a narrative, and no one is well versed enough to tell the narratives for 31 other teams.
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    I'm wondering how much of a difference our new strength and conditioning program will make. Last year we really seemed to remain healthier then in previous years, although we still had to deal with injuries. If that trend continues it might suggest that the changes McAdoo implemented have been effective. I don't know much about an NFL strength and conditioning program but I'd be curious to learn about how our current program differs from the previous one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makin Plays View Post
    I'm wondering how much of a difference our new strength and conditioning program will make. Last year we really seemed to remain healthier then in previous years, although we still had to deal with injuries. If that trend continues it might suggest that the changes McAdoo implemented have been effective. I don't know much about an NFL strength and conditioning program but I'd be curious to learn about how our current program differs from the previous one.
    This is true, and it has been brought up - but not much inside info here, on what the changes have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YATittle1962 View Post
    you can do this for any position on the field ... all 22

    what we should be looking at is how the hell has Eli NOT been injured
    Not to shed reality into your posts, but Eli has been injured multiple times, he has just played through them. Either because he can handle the pain or because they aren't that serious. I'm not a doctor nor am I privy to the specific information of his injuries even if I were.

    Did you mean to ask how Eli has not missed time with an injury?

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