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  1. #21

    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    [quote user="Kruunch"]And while you can add size to Fleener, you can't add height to Allen.
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    Good point there. Reminds me that Fleener has superior upside as a blocker than Allen. One thing that doesn't get talked about with Allen is that he doesn't have the longest arms and wingspan, Fleener has much more length. That serves as a huge advantage blocking as the shorter your length is - the easier it is for a defender to get into your chest and disengage.

    Just another factor in the growing reasons why Coby Fleener is looking like a better prospect than Allen to me personally

  2. #22

    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    From what I've seen, Allen looks to be the far greater blocker right now. Though most of that has been in motion. I'd like to see more of him at the point of attack.

  3. #23

    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="giantman8493"][quote user="bLuereverie"]I like Allen, but I just see him utilized in the same manner as Beckum. He may very well be more prolific in that role, just not with the Giants.[/quote] fleener is more like bekum than allan is.[/quote]

    They're both pass catching tight ends.

    After watching tape on them both my feeling is that Coby Fleener might be the better choice in terms of play making TE translating into the NFL.

    The current trend of successful TEs in the NFL are ex-basketball players of the 6-6+ variety which Fleener fits and Allen does not, Allen is more of the Atonio Gates (without the amazing speed and yes I know Gates played BBall) and Alge Crumpler mold.

    Fleener is closer to the Gronkowski, Tony Gonzalez, Jimmy Graham style which I would love to see on the Giants.

    And while you can add size to Fleener, you can't add height to Allen.

    Both have good hands ... Fleener seems to have slightly better hands.

    Allen has a bad habit of not seeing the sticks (consistantly comes up a yard short on 3rd down scenarios) which leads me to believe that Fleener is actually the better route runner.

    I was an Allen fan, but the more I look at Fleener, the more I like him over Allen.

    P.S. - Both can block, but neither are particular fearsome in that regard ... Fleener has the better frame for it imo, but Allen appears to have a better motor when blocking.[/quote]

    Most of that is fair to say, although I do not agree that Fleener has better hands. Both players show excellent hands, but Allen has shown a better ability to catch in traffic and has shown more of a rebounders mentality while Fleener shows more over-the-shoulder- downfield type receptions. Both players catch the ball with their hands, something I have always felt is more important for TEs than any other receiveing position.

    Barring a bad combine or a bad measuables I do think Allen will be rated slightly higher then Fleener because his tape shows more versatility. He was used all over the field, as a split out, a slot reciever, a lead blocker and a tight end. Allen was asked to run a wider variety of routes than Fleener. However, I could also see the Giants liking Fleener because what he was asked to do in college very much resembles what we do here.

    The 1 thing that hurts Fleener is he did struggle to get a free release at times. Much moreso than Allen who showed a quicker release(partly because he wasnt asked to line up tight to the line as much where a free release can be harder.)* But, Allen did shows a quicker 1st step off the line.

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    Good further break down and I agree with everything but the hands part.

    Allen has dropped more balls then Fleener (a lot more). Now Allen was targeted more and the deliveries were late on a lot of occasions (allowing the DB to make a play on the ball) but as a TE, you need to screen out the DBs better than Allen does (imo).

    I predict Allen only rates higher due to his 40 time which should be about .05-.10 ahead of Fleener at the Combine. If Fleener runs a faster 40, he'll rate higher (stupid method of rating but this is what it comes down to every year when the positions are close).
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    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    [quote user="bLuereverie"]From what I've seen, Allen looks to be the far greater blocker right now. Though most of that has been in motion. I'd like to see more of him at the point of attack.[/quote]

    This. He opens a lot of holes for the RB from what I've seen.

    I don't think Fleener will ever be a great blocker. He's just naturally lanky and has been in Harbaughs lifting program for ~ 4 years and is still built like a stick.

    At the end of the day, the physical measurements don't mean anything, it's all about the play on the field. Both are great players, and one of them will be a Giant if I have anything to say about it! lol

  5. #25

    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    [quote user="bLuereverie"]From what I've seen, Allen looks to be the far greater blocker right now. Though most of that has been in motion. I'd like to see more of him at the point of attack.[/quote]

    Allen definitely seems to have a better motor while blocking although his technique is fairly awful (he comes up high and over the top almost always and would get shucked in a heartbeat in the NFL).

    I just get the feeling that Allen ends up not translating well at the NFL level and Fleener does.

    Caveat: I am admittedly THE worst person judging college talent.


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    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    Close, but I go w/ Dwayne Allen. Best hands in the draft when it comes to TE's.

  7. #27

    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    Interesting, Fleener has moved ahead of Allen in Mayock's new rankings after he initially had Allen ahead of fleener 2 weeks ago

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    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    [quote user="Neverend"]Interesting, Fleener has moved ahead of Allen in Mayock's new rankings after he initially had Allen ahead of fleener 2 weeks ago[/quote]

    Wait for the Combine.
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    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Neverend"]Interesting, Fleener has moved ahead of Allen in Mayock's new rankings after he initially had Allen ahead of fleener 2 weeks ago[/quote]

    Wait for the Combine.[/quote]Im not a fan of the combine, I feel that it somewhat overshadows the actual in-game performance and to me Id rather judge actual gameplay
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    Re: Dwayne Allen vs Coby Fleener

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Neverend"]Interesting, Fleener has moved ahead of Allen in Mayock's new rankings after he initially had Allen ahead of fleener 2 weeks ago[/quote]

    Wait for the Combine.[/quote]Im not a fan of the combine, I feel that it somewhat overshadows the actual in-game performance and to me Id rather judge actual gameplay
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    I totally agree.

    That doesn't change the fact that the draft boards and all the mock drafts will change considerably after the Combine.
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