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    NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP, MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2011 - 12:22 P.M.

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    GIANTS' TOM COUGHLIN PLEASED WITH GUARD MITCH PETRUS' ATTITUDE IN HIS FIRST CAREER START

    Excerpt: "Tom Coughlin will pull life lessons from anywhere, even from the pages of
    history, as shining examples for his players.


    This week, the Giants' coach needed to
    look no further than the front of the auditorium, where Mitch Petrus was
    sitting. The second-year lineman played a very good game against the Packers on
    Sunday after finding out only two hours before kickoff he’d be making his first
    NFL start.




    “When he came to the stadium, I don’t think Mitch Petrus even knew he was
    going to dress,” Coughlin said today. “And not only is he going to dress, he’s
    now starting at left guard and plays the entire football game.




    “And really, it wasn’t perfect. But you see his power, you see his ability,
    you see him up against some very good defensive people that are big, sizable
    defensive linemen and plays well against them.”




    As I noted in my
    game review
    , Petrus saw a lot of B.J. Raji, the Westwood Regional grad who
    has been a disruptive force for many experienced linemen over the past two
    years. Raji gave Petrus some trouble here and there, but Petrus got the better
    of the former first-round pick for much of the day.




    “I liked his attitude and the way he went about it,” Coughlin said of Petrus.
    “There was no big eyes, there was no anything. He just went to work, trusted
    himself, trusted his preparation. When given the opportunity, he did well.”




    So did Kevin Boothe, who slid from left guard to center because David Baas
    was out of action with headaches.




    “How do you not recognize what this guy has done?” Coughlin said of Boothe,
    who has validated
    Jerry Reese’s saying he was a “priority”
    for the team to re-sign. “Whatever
    he has to do, he does it, with 5 minutes’ notice, with no notice. He just goes
    and plays.




    “There was one time where you saw Eli was kind of bobbling the snap when he
    was up under the center and then threw a 67-yard touchdown pass (to Travis
    Beckum). I would take the bobble if the result was going to be that every
    time.”




    Asked after the game about playing center after preparing to play guard all
    week long, Boothe said, “It’s not a big deal. I knew I was playing today.”




    Coughlin indicated it can be a big deal for others.




    “The way he thinks and the way he plays and the way he reacts, it probably
    wasn’t,” Coughlin said. “I know, when I talked to him, it was like, ‘Here we go
    Boothie, you’re now the center.’ ‘Okay great,’ and with a big smile, away he
    went.”




    Coughlin said there were also examples of players making adjustments on
    defense after Kenny Phillips was lost with a knee injury.




    “It happens all the time at our level,” he said. “But for once it’s probably
    a good idea to recognize the way guys go about their business under pressure
    when changes have to be made.” Read more...



    GIANTS' TOM COUGHLIN BELIEVES BALLARD'S CATCH AGAINST PACKERS WAS A TOUCHDOWN



    Excerpt: "A day later, Tom Coughlin was nauseous.




    Not about his team’s effort in the Giantsloss
    to the Packers
    . Rather, about a replay challenge he believes he should’ve
    won when tight end Jake Ballard was ruled out of bounds on a pass in the end
    zone. The officials upheld the call on the field and the Giants settled for a
    field goal. It was 10-7 instead of 14-7.




    “I just saw a picture that made me sick to my stomach, which Fox produced and
    showed he’s in,” Coughlin said today. “Don’t ask me about that because I really
    don’t know why, but I did see the picture.”




    I don’t know if this
    is the picture he’s talking about
    , but it certainly makes matters
    interesting.




    As I mentioned in my
    game review
    , there was one angle Fox showed from behind Ballard in which it
    appears the bottom of his knee pad hits in the blue paint of the end zone before
    sliding into the white of the sideline. Fox didn’t show that replay until the
    Giants had already challenged the play, so it’s unclear if someone on the
    coaching staff had that information.




    “I challenged the Ballard thing. No question about that one,” Coughlin said.
    “I wasn’t going to not challenge that and have somebody tell me, ‘You know he
    was in?’ As I said, the one on the sideline I was upset, I really was, because
    it was third-and-3 and I thought we had them stopped.”




    That was a 7-yard catch by Donald Driver, who got both feet down before his
    backside hit.




    “The second one, I really shouldn’t have challenged. It was right on our
    sideline,” Coughlin said. “But it was a third-and-3, and I was very much aware
    of where the ball was going, where it was headed and if there was any way it
    could be turned around. And they were hurrying up to the ball to snap it, so I
    really didn’t get a great call from upstairs. But I’ve been overly aggressive
    with those calls, not waiting for any kind of advice from upstairs.”




    By those calls, Coughlin means potential game-changers. He’s had some close
    ones and has lost his last five challenges.




    “It seems like we’ve had a series of things that have not been clear, and
    even when the pictures are there, have not been really clear,” he said. “But
    I’ve gone ahead and challenged anyway. I’ve done so for a number of
    reasons.”




    One more gripe Coughlin had with the officiating was the interpretation of
    the Calvin Johnson rule on Greg Jennings’ touchdown. Jennings takes a while to
    control the ball and when he finally does, it seems he might have gotten only
    one foot down.




    Coughlin said a few weeks ago he was looking
    for “consistency” in the rule
    . Today, he said he’s still searching.




    “I would go so far as to say most of us know exactly what the rule reads
    like, but I’ve seen it interpreted a lot of different ways,” he said. “It’s
    confusing to me.” Read more...



    GIANTS-PACKERS GAME REVIEW: MUCH TO LIKE FOR GIANTS, BUT "MORAL VICTORY" STILL A LOSS



    "There are those who saw the value
    in Sunday’s “moral victory
    .” And there are those who say moral victories
    “are for losers.”




    Put me somewhere in the middle.




    The Giants have to learn to close. The comparisons to 2007 and the near-upset
    of the Pats are nice, but that team was already in the playoffs. They held back
    a bit on their game plan and had little to lose. This team had everything to
    gain. So to say this is going to be a turning point in a Super Bowl season is to
    miss the fact they have a long way to go to even make the playoffs. And like
    Dave Tollefson said, they have to be better than to allow a team to go 68 yards
    in four plays after allowing the Saints to go the length of the field in a blink
    last week.




    But this team needed to be reminded of what it’s capable of doing in a lot of
    trouble areas, like the run game and the pass rush of late. Those things are now
    on film for them to see and believe. So yes, it can be a springboard of
    sorts.




    I discounted the loss to the Pats in ’07 as just that -- a loss. The Eagles
    and Ravens (two teams going nowhere that year) had just given the Pats, who were
    sucking wind by that point, a scare in previous weeks. What good was almost for
    the Giants in that spot?




    Well, it was plenty good because it got them thinking they were better than
    they initially believed. This game has the chance to do that, provided they
    continue to play with the enthusiasm they brought Sunday.




    * * * *




    GAME BALLS

    DE Jason Pierre-Paul. I
    counted eight -- eight -- pressures for him. Plus, two balls batted
    down at the line and a half-sack that was negated by a penalty. Huge, huge, huge
    game for him.




    QB Eli Manning. Let’s face it, he’s gone toe-to-toe with
    Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron
    Rodgers
    this year. Has he been the best quarterback in the last two of
    those games? No. But how slim is the difference? Very, very slight.




    Packers QB Aaron Rodgers. Take it from Giants rookie LB
    Jacquian Williams, who has faced Brady and Brees. Williams
    thought he had a chance to make a play on the ball for Pack TE Jermichael
    Finley
    on the first play of Green Bay’s game-winning drive. “He put it
    exactly where he wanted to put it,” a somewhat bewildered Williams said. “I
    haven't ever seen nothing like that before. As a rookie.” Personally, other than
    the throws on that final drive, I’d have to say Rodgers’ most impressive pass
    was a 33-yarder to WR Jordy Nelson in the first quarter while
    he was rolling right. Rodgers has this little skip he does to get more juice on
    the ball while on the run. He did it there and that ball had some zip.




    Green Bay LB Clay Matthews. Great read and break on the ball
    on his interception of Manning. The Giants ran a two-man route on that play and
    there was just nothing there for Manning, who tried to find RB Ahmad
    Bradshaw
    on the out route. A rare bad decision by Manning this season.
    Matthews also had a forced fumble, giving him three turnovers created in two
    games against the Giants. I also didn’t realize until today how quickly he shot
    into the backfield and pressured Manning on the quick throw to WR Hakeem
    Nicks
    for the touchdown with 58 seconds to go. Just incredible
    quickness, as he’d shown on a near-sack in the end zone earlier in the game.




    Packers WR Donald Driver. Two touchdowns but the play that
    wowed me was the 7-yard catch on third-and-3 early in the third quarter (the one
    the Giants challenged). That ball didn’t move a centimeter from the time it hit
    Driver’s hands. If it had, that would’ve been ruled incomplete because his butt
    hit the sideline. That’s precisely what the Giants were challenging, so there
    was a very, very small window in which Driver had to secure the ball. He did.
    Tremendous catch.




    Packers WRs Greg Jennings and Nelson. Somebody tell me where
    this corps ranks all-time. Are they up there among the great ones? They should
    be. Maybe another Super Bowl ring will get that conversation going even further
    than it already has.




    Finley. Don’t forget about him. I had him down for three of the Packers’ six
    drops, but he was effective and made a big play to spark the final drive.




    Giants coach Tom Coughlin. I tried telling people last week
    this team has been left for dead only to bounce back too many times to be
    counted out again. As Coughlin said, they’ll fight.




    LB Chase Blackburn. You know those signs on trucks that
    read, “If you can’t see my mirrors, I can’t see you?” That’s kind of what
    happened on Blackburn’s
    interception Sunday
    . He said he couldn’t see Rodgers, which meant Rodgers
    couldn’t see him. Had Rodgers saw No. 93 (Blackburn is really having some fun
    with his new number, which is cool), he would’ve waited another tick and hit WR
    Randall Cobb on the inside slant, not Jennings trying to clear
    LB Mathias Kiwanuka. Great job by Blackburn not just on that
    play but all day Sunday getting underneath those routes, which had been a
    problem for Giants linebackers this year.




    WR Victor Cruz. I didn’t get a chance to fire this last
    week. It’s a quote from Packers CBs coach Joe Whitt (courtesy
    of a legend in this business and a Hall of Fame writer, Bob McGinn of the
    Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) on Cruz being the Giants’ No. 1 receiver in his
    mind: "There's no question. He's one of the most impressive guys I've broken
    down this year. Pro Bowl player. I mean, he's the real deal. If I had to pick
    Pro Bowl guys he would be on there." At this point, though, he’s not on the
    ballot, you’d have to figure Cruz is headed to Hawaii soon. He’ll get lots of
    votes from players and coaches.




    Nicks. It’s to the point now where, if it’s a 1-on-1 jump ball, I fully
    expect him to make the catch and am stunned when he doesn’t.




    Bradshaw. On the first play of the game from scrimmage, he broke a tackle for
    an extra 2 yards. That’s all. Just 2 yards. But I’d imagine it reminded this
    team of what he brings and got their confidence going right off the bat. That
    first drive was enormous. One other note: four years after RB Brandon
    Jacobs
    made Packers CB Charles Woodson road kill to
    open the NFC Championship game, Bradshaw did just that on a swing pass early in
    the fourth quarter.




    Jacobs. Something I didn’t see until rewatching the game: he got just enough
    of Packers DL B.J. Raji to slow him down on the 42-yard pass to
    Cruz in the first quarter. Early in the second quarter, he had a huge stick on
    LB D.J. Smith on a blitz pickup.




    RG Chris Snee. He’s had a concussion and a stomach bug that
    have bothered him in a few games, so he hasn’t been himself at times. He was
    himself Sunday and really got after it in a big game when the Giants needed
    stability on a shuffled line.




    LG Mitch Petrus and C Kevin Boothe. As much
    as Boothe said after game it’s “no big deal” when he finds out two hours before
    a game he’s playing center instead of guard, it’s a big deal. As for Petrus, he
    had a few yips and drew himself a tough, tough assignment in Raji for much of
    the day. Petrus allowed a pressure to Raji in the first half, was shed on
    another block, had a false start and whiffed on Raji on a run in the third
    quarter. But there were times he handled him as well, including a real nice
    block on a 5-yard run for a first down that was negated by an illegal-formation
    penalty, and a few snaps later when he got up inside Raji to move that big body
    backward on the fade TD from Manning to Nicks. Even on a draw play to start the
    fourth quarter, when Raji made a quick spin move, Petrus let him do all the work
    and nudged him to the inside to give Jacobs room. Had Boothe locked onto Smith
    better there, that would’ve been a big run instead of a 3-yard gain. One play
    later, good blocks by Petrus, LT David Diehl and TE
    Jake Ballard opened the hole for 8 yards. Had Boothe not
    slipped at the snap there, that might have been another huge run. And finally,
    great job by Petrus to turn Raji on the 2-point conversion. (More on that down
    low.)




    Diehl. Let’s not forget about him. He’s been solid since moving back to left
    tackle. You just can’t take that kind of stuff for granted.




    DT Linval Joseph. He’s been under the radar this year but
    he’s been solid. Sunday was his best game of his career. He was around the ball
    all day long.




    TE Travis Beckum. Think his teammates were excited for him?
    Just look at the reaction by guys like Cruz, Nicks, Ballard and Bradshaw coming
    up to a player who has struggled to find a role in this offense after a play
    like he made. I forgot to mention this in my note on Beckum but that play began
    with Manning nearly dropping the snap. He kept his composure and looked S
    Morgan Burnett toward Nicks’ side. That left plenty of room for
    Beckum, who picked up the last 35 yards after the catch by taking advantage of
    Burnett’s overrunning the tackle attempt twice.




    K Lawrence Tynes. That 50-yard field goal was huge because
    it ensured the Giants would remain within one score if Green Bay added a
    touchdown, which they did. Plus, four touchbacks for Tynes.




    FB Henry Hynoski. Aside from the fair catch that could have
    been (he vowed not to do that again), he played an excellent game and was a
    physical presence on a few lead runs.




    DE Justin Tuck. That looked like
    “Old Tuck”
    to me. “I’m getting better,” he continued to say afterward about
    his health.




    * * * *




    GASSERS




    Williams. I was a tad reluctant to give him one here because he played well
    for a good portion of the game and the illegal-contact penalty on him in the
    fourth quarter was a bit ticky-tack. That being said, he admitted he can’t be
    putting his hands on the receiver like that. He also admitted he has to play
    smarter than when he tried making a play on the ball to start the Packers’
    game-winning drive, a decision that cost the Giants an extra 14 yards. Williams
    thought he could get to that ball. Perhaps it was in part because he made a play
    on a similar ball from Rodgers to Finley on a quick out early in the second
    quarter.




    CB Will Blackmon. Tough spot for him to be put in, playing
    corner in only his second game back. Rodgers seemed to know that and he went
    after his former teammate in key spots, including on Nelson’s 27-yarder on the
    final drive.




    Woodson. The Giants made it obvious they were going to take advantage of his
    aggressiveness. They started with a double move by Cruz that resulted in an
    illegal-contact penalty. Later, there was a nice pump fake by Manning on a
    “bounce” or “pivot” route when the Giants clearly had an inkling Woodson would
    be sniffing for a pick six. That play was big because it was a third-and-6 from
    their own 5 on a drive that resulted in a field goal early in the fourth
    quarter. Woodson also had a roughing-the-passer call when he went high on
    Manning after making a nice move to create pressure. Originally, I thought it
    was merely a glancing blow but after rewatching it, I felt it was blatant enough
    to be called.




    The rest of the Packers’ secondary. There’s been a lot of talk about how the
    yardage they’ve given up is because of garbage time. Eh, I’m not so sure about
    that. For an undefeated team, the back end of their defense is a concern. The
    Giants took 10 shots of 20 or more yards down the field (they connected on three
    of them and drew a penalty on another), so they knew they could attack this
    secondary.




    Referre Jeff Triplette and his crew. The people spoke (in
    the comments section) and I listened.




    * * * *




    UNDER-THE-RADAR PLAY




    I know a lot of people were wondering why the Giants left 58 seconds for
    Rodgers and the Packers, but I’m with Coughlin. Worry about the score before the
    clock. The only decision in that sequence I would question was running a play
    from the 17-yard line before the 2-minute warning. They should have let that one
    run down and then start first-and-10 after the commercial break. That way, after
    Bradshaw runs for 3 yards, the clock continues to run. But again, it’s
    nitpicking, I believe.




    * * * *




    SECOND GUESSES




    Let’s go over the penalties with which the Giants took issue. The first was a
    pass-interference call on CB Prince Amukamara early in the
    third quarter. That was a good call. As I
    noted in my game preview
    while talking about a play last year, you can’t
    grab a guy’s arm. It didn’t look like much live because there wasn’t a lot of
    body contact, but that’s pass interference, as was Woodson’s being all over
    Nicks on his touchdown. There was also the ruling on Jennings’ touchdown. (I’ve
    broken that out on its own one item down.) Then, we had the illegal contact on
    Williams. I didn’t love it called in a spot like that but, by rule, it’s a
    penalty. A few minutes later, there was a no call on CB Sam
    Shields
    when he had a fistful of Nicks’ jersey. That was absolutely
    holding or pass interference there. Finally, there was Driver’s second TD, where
    he might have stepped out of bounds. I can’t believe Fox didn’t have a replay
    from the back of the end zone to give a better look there. Plus, field judge
    Barry Anderson looks away as Driver is in the back of the end
    zone, so he wasn’t even looking for that. There’s just nothing we had to
    determine if he indeed stepped out.




    Now, as for the Jennings touchdown, Coughlin
    was looking for clarity on the “Calvin Johnson rule” a few weeks back
    when
    it was ruled WR Mario Manningham didn’t hold the ball while
    completing the act of falling. That same week, it was ruled Lions WR
    Nate Burleson had completed the act of the catch before losing
    the ball while stumbling through the netting behind the end zone. I doubt, after
    watching this one, Coughlin will be any less confused about the rule. I’ll say
    this: when a player falls, the rule is much easier to apply. The contact with
    the ground and that moment of whether he holds the ball or not is the end of the
    act. But when a player stays on his feet, that’s when the gray area creeps in.
    When is the act complete? When does he have possession of the ball? I see what
    the officials must have seen and to what Mike Pereira
    referenced when he said there was control with the left hand after a few
    mini-bobbles. But once Jennings controls it, his left foot appears to be off the
    ground, which would mean he had only one foot down with complete control before
    Amukamara knocks it away. It’s very, very close as to whether that left foot was
    still on the ground.




    Because I know you love to hate the three-man rush, allow me to point out
    Perry Fewell used it on back-to-back plays on the Packers’
    first drive. Both resulted in incomplete passes, with the second one a ball
    Rodgers threw away deep after 6.5 seconds in the pocket -- an eternity in the
    NFL. Where I didn’t like the three-man rush call was on Driver’s second
    touchdown.




    The screen pass to RB D.J. Ware when he motions out to the
    left is so obvious it’s not fooling anybody anymore. I understand the Giants
    have fakes built in there to get the defense to crash down so they can hit a
    play downfield but they just don’t use them enough to make it worth the time to
    have a 4-yard loss that kills the momentum of a good drive that could’ve been a
    touchdown instead of a field goal. The one on third-and-8 midway through the
    fourth quarter was an absolute disaster. It looked like Ware believed he was
    running the decoy there because of the way he threw his hands up and was
    surprised when the ball came his way. In that spot, the decoy is the much better
    call.




    I mentioned Coughlin had plenty of in-house replays to see before he
    challenged Ballard’s near-TD in the first quarter but I didn’t see the one Fox
    showed where Ballard’s knee does appear to hit the blue paint before the white
    until rewatching the game. That angle does make it look like he was in, though
    every other angle seemed to indicate he touched white first. And by the way, if
    you’re confused on that one and wondering why challenge if his left foot never
    came close to coming down in bounds, you should know (as John
    Madden and Dave Anderson wrote years ago
    ) one knee equals two feet. In other
    words, the one knee in bounds would have negated the need for the left foot to
    hit at all. So in summation, after seeing the replay from behind Ballard, that
    challenge from Coughlin wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it was while watching
    live. And frankly, Coughlin believes he should've won it. (More on that coming
    momentarily.)




    The second challenge, though, should’ve never happened. It was right in front
    of the Giants’ sideline. It was close, but Coughlin had a perfect look at that
    one. Some people thought it wasn’t worth the gamble because, despite being a
    third down, it was only a 7-yard gain and that was the Giants’ last challenge. I
    don’t have a problem with that part because the Packers were driving to make it
    a two-score game and that’s not the position in which you want to be against the
    Packers. I just had an issue with the challenge itself.




    Yeah, the officiating seemed to favor the Packers Sunday but Fox did a nice
    job of showing you the one play where S Deon Grant mugged
    Finley and got away with one. And I agree with Troy Aikman when
    he said the illegal contact that wasn’t called on Williams was worse
    than the one that was. Rodgers and Finley both were calling for a flag there. So
    it goes both ways sometimes.




    I was sitting next to Gary Myers of the Daily News and he noted after the
    pass by the Packers' Cobb how do you take the ball out of Rodgers’ hand to throw
    it? Can’t agree more. Leave those plays for the Broncos to run.




    Aikman put Driver’s first touchdown on S Antrel Rolle by
    saying he “blew that one.” He was wrong. Many of my Twitter followers said CB
    Aaron Ross was to blame. Eventually, after referencing CB
    Corey Webster, Aikman said it might’ve been Ross. Nope. (I was
    wondering why a bunch of my Twitter followers were saying everyone was in man
    coverage when it was only Webster who was in man. I just heard now during the
    replay that’s what Aikman said, so they were influenced by him.) Rolle’s
    immediate reaction told me he believed Webster should’ve sunk deep on that one
    because he went right toward him, and Webster acted like he knew he was in the
    wrong once Rolle relayed the info to him. Sure enough, after the game, Coughlin
    said, “They ran a switch route and we didn’t fall off outside.” Webster was the
    outside corner on the play.




    As many of you astutely pointed out right away when this happened, the
    officials should’ve taken about 6 seconds off the clock when Matthews forced a
    fumble on Manning and everybody stood around. The officials got the fumble part
    correct but missed the clock issue. The Packers should’ve had 20 seconds, not
    26, when they took over at the 50-yard line. They missed a field goal, so no
    harm done, but still the officials have to be on top of that one.




    * * * *




    ODDS AND (TIGHT) ENDS




    Though I didn’t give Fewell a game ball, I came close. I’m stunned by the
    number of people who think the defense didn’t play well Sunday because they gave
    up 31 points. They came up small in a big spot, but they defended the Pack as
    well as anybody has this year. People were pointing to the drops by Green Bay
    receivers as reason for why Rodgers posted season lows in completion percentage
    and passer rating. Okay, but the Giants’ defense had a lot to do with that as
    well.




    When Jacobs ran for 11 and 14 yards on the final two plays of the first
    quarter, it marked the first time since the fourth quarter of the victory over
    the Bills on Oct. 16 the Giants had consecutive double-digit runs. Not just
    back-to-back plays or even from series to series. Consecutive runs, period. And
    if my calculations are correct, and I believe they are, it’s only the second
    time they’ve done that this season.




    Nice job by Nicks to save an interception off a deflection in the second
    quarter. Packers CB Tramon Williams had that one lined up after
    it bounced off Cruz and Morgan, but Nicks got a hand in there to make sure it
    fell incomplete. The teams traded punts on three possessions there until
    Blackburn’s interception helped the Giants to a lead. An interception by
    Williams near midfield might have changed that whole sequence and perhaps the
    game.




    Nicks had said a few weeks ago he thought the Giants might start doing some
    things to help him get away from double coverage. If you looked closely Sunday,
    you saw he was lined up in the slot, moving in motion and switching with Cruz
    often at the line. All of these things are done to help Nicks get more room to
    operate.




    If I were a coach, I’d think one of the things that would drive me bonkers
    would be when a returner fair catches a ball inside the 10 like Cobb did midway
    through the second quarter. I mean, you stand on the 10 and if you have to take
    one step backward, you let the ball bounce. If not, you catch it. Cobb caught it
    at the 6 instead of letting it hit when the closest guy on the coverage unit was
    still 6 yards away. Would it have checked up? Maybe. But that’s the chance you
    take. Instead, the Packers were backed up, Rodgers threw the interception to
    Blackburn and the Giants retook the lead. Would the Packers’ offensive sequence
    have gone differently if they had started from the 20? Yeah, maybe.




    That wasn’t one of the better games called by Aikman. He was off in plenty of
    areas, including when he said the Giants had played more man than Fewell had
    told them he would. Now, I don’t know what Fewell told them. For all we know, he
    might’ve said he’d play man half the time. But by my rough (and I cannot stress
    the word “rough” enough on this one because it’s impossible to tell with
    certainty what a coverage call is on a TV broadcast), I had the Giants about
    2-to-1 zone-to-man at that point. Fewell went with lots of zone looks after
    calling a man-heavy scheme against the Saints. I think that was a smart
    adjustment after his DBs came up small in New Orleans.




    Somebody on email asked me about the illegal-formation penalty on Diehl in
    the third quarter. It’s not really on Diehl; it’s on Cruz because he didn’t
    “cover” Diehl, meaning he didn’t line up on the line of scrimmage. The last guy
    on the line can’t be a lineman with an ineligible number (No. 50-79) unless he
    reports eligible. If you noticed, there was an unbalanced line earlier in the
    game that left OL Jim Cordle as the last man on the left side
    of the line. But because he reported eligible on that play, there was no
    penalty.




    My brother-in-law, a neutral observer in this one, didn’t like the fist bump
    by Woodson to Nicks after Nicks’ TD. Eh, didn’t bother me. He’s established
    enough to get away with that. It’s not something you want to see a rookie do,
    but Woodson has shown he’s dedicated enough. He just respected Nicks’ ability
    right there, as well he should.




    One of the keys in my game preview (linked above) was not letting Rodgers
    escape. The Giants did a decent job of that for the most part. The only errors
    were when DE Dave Tollefson got too far upfield to give him a
    lane to his right and when Williams lost his footing on a 6-yard run for a first
    down in the third quarter.




    The blocking on Jacobs’ 12-yard run on the next-to-last play of the third
    quarter was the old Giants style of blocking. The combo by Boothe and Petrus on
    Raji to move him away from the hole and the lead blocks by Snee and FB
    Bear Pascoe allowed Jacobs to get up the field untouched. Maybe
    these guys are turning a corner here. We’ll see.




    If you watch the 2-point conversion again, you’ll see Petrus look back at
    Manning after he makes the check at the line. “I didn’t hear it at first,”
    Petrus said. “I turned around and he’s like, ‘Alert! Alert! We’re checking.’ All
    right, here we go. It gets kind of loud.” How the Packers, who had little
    support up the middle, didn’t realize what the check meant is beyond me. Anyway,
    here’s more Petrus on his first career start: “I was really excited when I got
    the news. Unfortunately we didn’t win but we played hard, went out there and
    fought. I don’t have any regrets. I played as hard as I could. We’re going to
    get it down, we’re going to keep fighting. … (The start) felt awesome to go out
    there. It felt awesome, it really did. Even though we came up a little bit
    short, we were out there competing. It was good to be a part of that. I felt
    privileged and honored.”




    And finally somebody tweeted to Cordle he took a late shot at Matthews. “I
    really don’t like him,” Cordle
    tweeted in reply
    . That is all."

    **

    CHASE BLACKBURN MAKES IMPACT IN RETURN TO GIANTS

    Excerpt: "This time last week, Chase Blackburn was unsure if he was going to get the
    call; his chances of landing on a team decreased with each passing week.


    The Giants brought him in for a tryout earlier in the season, but decided to
    stick with what they had at linebacker. So Blackburn continued working out on
    his own, waiting for that call. He said he watched the Giants’ blowout loss
    against the Saints last Monday on television. The next day he was a Giant again.
    Five days later, he was front and center at MetLife Stadium in the Giants’ 38-35
    loss against the Packers to cap off a whirlwind of a week.




    With Michael Boley limited in his first game back since straining his
    hamstring and rookie Mark Herzlich out with an ankle injury, Blackburn saw
    plenty of playing time at linebacker just five days after signing. And he made
    the most of the opportunity, finishing with five tackles and an
    interception.




    “No. Like I said, that’s why I feel like they brought me in,” Blackburn said
    when asked if he was surprised by how much he played. “Because I’ve been able to
    do that in the past and I know the defense and the system and kind of what they
    expect from me. I was able to step into that role.”




    Still, for a player who has spent most of his five-year career on special
    teams — he was the Giants’ special teams captain last season — his play was a
    pleasant surprise for a Giants defense riddled by injuries all season. There
    were times when Blackburn struggled in coverage, but his interception in the
    second quarter was a game-changing play at the time.




    On the second play of the Packers’ drive from the Green Bay 10-yard line,
    Aaron Rodgers stepped back and faced some pressure from the Giants front, which
    forced an
    underthrown pass intended for Greg Jennings. Instead, it found
    Blackburn, who previously had just two career interceptions.




    “I couldn’t even see Aaron,” Blackburn admitted after the game. “I just knew
    I was cheating towards that route on the seam. So I didn’t see Aaron; I just saw
    the ball coming out over top. That’s all I could see, was the release point, so
    I’m sure he didn’t see me either. He probably thought I was sitting on the hash.
    I was able to cheat on the route and go with it.” Read more...

    GIANTS LOSE TO GREEN BAY, 38-35; SOME SEE LOSS AS MORAL VICTORY

    Excerpt: "There was lots of optimism in the Giants’ locker room, plenty of back slaps,
    atta boys, references to the ’07 close loss to the Patriots and talk of all the
    good things to take from this game.


    And then, there was Dave Tollefson, sitting in the farthest corner of the
    room, elbows on knees and speaking in a tone that suggested he had not just
    participated in a moral victory.




    What Tollefson saw was a defense that allowed Green Bay to go 68 yards in 55
    seconds to set up Mason Crosby’s 31-yard winning field goal as time expired in
    the Packers’ 38-35 victory that preserved their perfect season (12-0) and
    extended the tail-spinning Giants’ losing streak to four games.




    “Eli (Manning) and the offense do a great job, go down there and score to tie
    us up and we just — pffft,” Tollefson said, opting for a r***ing commentary
    rather than a breakdown of what happened. “Come on now, we’re better than
    that.”




    We’ve got an interesting debate on our hands today because, well, are the
    Giants (6-6) better than what they showed Sunday?

    Is it enough for them to fight back from an 11-point deficit in the third
    quarter, tie the game on a 2-yard touchdown pass from Manning to Hakeem Nicks,
    get the 2-point conversion on an audible by Manning to a run up the middle and
    then lose because Aaron Rodgers and his targets are better than a banged-up
    Giants defense?



    We’ll save the why and focus on the how, beginning with rookie Jacquian
    Williams’ trying for an interception instead of making a tackle on what wound up
    being a 24-yard catch-and-run for Jermichael Finley. Jordy Nelson then caught a
    27-yard pass to the Giants’ 29 on a double move past former Packer Will Blackmon
    and Jennings caught a quick out for 18 to set up Crosby’s field goal.




    The Giants’ 69-yard drive to tie the score, which came after Rodgers hit
    Donald Driver on a 7-yard touchdown to make it 35-27 with 3:34 to play, became a
    footnote. And with the Cowboys’ (7-5) loss to the Cardinals, there was nothing
    lost or gained on the day.




    Except maybe some confidence from the Giants, who are a game behind Dallas
    heading into Sunday’s matchup in Texas — the first of two between the teams in
    the season’s final four weeks.




    “There’s no solace in playing well and losing,” Tom Coughlin said. “We’re way
    past that.” Read more...

    YOU GRADE 'EM: GIANTS VS. PACKERS

    D'ALESSANDRO: POSITIVE SIGN ASIDE, THE GIANTS ARE SIMPLY MEDIOCRE

    Excerpt: "Somewhere in the fourth quarter, just before Aaron Rodgers took the ball and
    breezed through 68 yards in 55 seconds like he was Spiderman caught in a jet
    stream, the Giants learned about something called the Law of Diminishing
    Astonishment. One of those job-performance experts came up with that one.
    Basically, it goes like this: “What initially amazes people quickly becomes the
    new expectation.”


    So maybe they (okay, you) were all a little surprised that they were so
    stubborn in the face of the Green Bay juggernaut for 59 minutes and 57 seconds
    yesterday.




    By the time they watched Mason Crosby’s chip-shot field goal sail through and
    crush the spirit of 80,000 believers, the Giants somehow concluded that this was
    a positive development, and an irrefutable sign of future success.




    You know, the stuff fans are usually guilty of believing around Week 13,
    before their hearts are ripped out around Christmas.




    Giants coach Tom Coughlin conceded that there is “no solace in playing well
    and losing,” but then reeled off a dozen reasons why he had witnessed “the kind
    of emotional things that bind you together” and how this performance “brings us
    together even tighter.”




    Right on cue, they all interpreted this 38-35 kick in the teeth as a clear
    sign that they are merely 3 seconds away from being the equal to the reigning
    Super Bowl champions.




    Nobody had the heart to remind them they haven’t won a game in 28 days.




    Nobody wanted to damage their egos further by scribbling “6-6” on their
    notepads and wagging it in their faces.




    Nobody chose to mention that they are now batting exactly .400 in the second
    half of the season during the Coughlin Era (24-36), which is fairly solid
    mathematical proof that there’s something to this December Swoon stuff.




    So 38-35 merely inspired platitudes like this:




    “It hurts to lose,” said Brandon Jacobs, who may have gotten his mojo back,
    “but seeing the way we can come out and play against an undefeated team like we
    did today, I think that gives us some momentum going forward.”




    Nothing like the momentum of a four-game losing streak, we always say.




    Or this: “It felt good. I think we all needed that battle,” puffed Antrel
    Rolle. “We fought to the finish and I am extremely proud of this team.” Read more...

    GIANTS' NOTEBOOK: AHMAD BRADSHAW MADE A STRONG RETURN FROM FRACTURED FOOT

    Excerpt: "Ahmad Bradshaw felt pretty good after Sunday’s 38-35 loss to the Packers.


    Well, he didn’t feel great about the result. But his fractured foot, which
    had kept him out of the past four games, was going much better than he believed
    it would.




    “I thought I’d be sore, not even able to walk,” he said, “but I feel great
    and can move on.”




    Bradshaw brought his tough running style back to a running game that badly
    needed him to do a lot with little holes. He had only 38 yards on 11 carries,
    but he broke a handful of tackles and ran with the same physical style he had
    displayed before he got injured.




    Bradshaw’s presence contributed to the Giants’ running game reaching 100
    yards for the first time since the victory over New England four weeks ago.




    “It was definitely good to get ‘Bulldog’ back out with us and I think he
    played a wonderful game,” Brandon Jacobs said. “He got a couple key first downs
    for us and made a couple plays and that’s what we needed.”




    Bradshaw pushed the pile on a few plays and set up a 4-yard touchdown pass
    from Eli Manning to Hakeem Nicks in the third quarter with a tough 5-yard run on
    first-and-goal from the 9.




    “We know this is a good team. We were ready to come out and play, it just
    didn’t go our way,” Bradshaw said. “We know we’re better than how we played
    today and we can do a lot better but we played great.”




    •?During the bye week in late October, GM Jerry Reese said
    the Giants wouldn’t be giving up on TE Travis Beckum and
    expected him to contribute at some point this season.




    Beckum did just that Sunday. He entered the game with only 2 yards receiving
    this year; he had 67 on a touchdown on the third play of the game.




    “I know how good I am,” said Beckum, the team’s third-round pick in 2009, who
    had only 21 catches in his first two seasons, combined. “It’s just a matter of
    showing my teammates and my coaches I’m capable of doing it.”




    Beckum got past former Giants S Charlie Peprah after Green Bay rolled its
    defense toward Nicks. He then made a couple of cuts to avoid S Morgan Burnett a
    few times.




    “They kept trying to overrun it,” Beckum said. “I just felt like the best
    thing was to just cut back.” Read more...

    GIANTS' ROOKIE JACQUIAN WILLIAMS PUNISHED FOR AGGRESSIVENESS ON FINAL DRIVE

    Excerpt: "When D.J. Ware capped the Giants’ nine-play, 69-yard drive with his 2-point
    conversion run to tie the game at 35 with 58 seconds remaining, all signs
    pointed to overtime. The Giants admitted as much after the game. The Packers
    were even planning on it.


    Aaron Rodgers went onto the field for the final series thinking the Packers
    were going to run the clock out and take their chances in an extra session. But
    that all changed when on the first play of the series rookie linebacker Jacquian
    Williams gambled on a Rodgers pass to tight end Jermichael Finley. Williams
    aggressively tried to make a play on the ball, but he wasn’t quick enough,
    allowing a 24-yard play that sparked the Packers’ winning drive.




    “I felt like I was fast enough to get back and cover him,” Williams said. “I
    thought I should be aggressive. You can play aggressive, but you’ve got to play
    it the right way.”




    After the game, coach Tom Coughlin said Williams’ aggressiveness is what he
    looks for despite the result, though he admitted he would have to take a look at
    the film to evaluate it.




    “You better be aggressive,” he said. “Every time you walk onto that field,
    you better be aggressive. That is a young guy trying to make a play.”




    From there, it all continued to spiral out of control for the Giants. On the
    next play, Rodgers found Jordy Nelson in single coverage with cornerback Will
    Blackmon and hit him with a precise back-shoulder throw for 27 yards.




    Two plays for 51 yards. Just like that the Packers were in field goal range
    and two plays later — after Rodgers completed an 18-yard pass to wide receiver
    Greg Jennings — Mason Crosby kicked the winning 31-yard field goal to keep the
    Packers undefeated and extend the Giants’ losing streak to four.




    The two plays were a microcosm of the type of season it’s been for the
    Giants. The Giants have been forced to rely on inexperienced players because of
    injuries, especially on the defensive side, and Rodgers exploited favorable
    matchups on consecutive snaps.




    In Williams’ case, the Giants’ linebacker corps was without Mark Herzlich and
    only had a limited Michael Boley. In Blackmon’s case, rookie Prince Amukamara
    was fatigued and safety Kenny Phillips was sidelined due to a sprained knee.




    “I can’t remember the last time I played corner,” admitted Blackmon, who
    signed with the Giants two weeks ago and has mostly played special teams in his
    seven-year career, which included five seasons with the Packers." Read more...

    NY DAILY NEWS

    GIANTS' COUGHLIN "SICK" OVER PHOTO OF BALLARD NON-TOUCHDOWN

    Excerpt: "Tom Coughlin said Monday afternoon that he “just saw a picture that made me
    sick to my stomach’’ and the fact that the Giants coach believes what’s in the
    picture validates his case didn’t help ease his queasiness.



    In Sunday’s 38-35 loss to the unbeaten Packers, Coughlin lost two replay
    challenges and he firmly believes he should have won the first one.




    Coughlin said FOX TV produced the picture and he was alerted to it because
    general manager “Jerry Reese was carrying it around.’’ In the first quarter
    shot, tight end Jake Ballard appears to have his right knee touch down just
    inside the end zone before sliding out of bounds. It would have been a 20-yard
    touchdown pass from Eli Manning on third down to put the Giants ahead 14-7.
    Instead, Lawrence Tynes hit a 38-yard field goal and the Giants took a 10-7
    lead.

    Giants coach Tom Coughlin challenged this non-catch by
    Jake Ballard. The play was upheld, costing the Giants a touchdown and they would
    eventually settle for the field goal.




    The initial replays shown by FOX seemed to indicate Ballard was out of bounds
    when making the diving catch but a shot from behind the end zone appears to
    reveal that Ballard just dragged his right knee in. Coughlin didn’t see that
    shot when he threw the red replay challenge flag but he felt it was close enough
    to contest. After the review, referee Jeff Triplette announced Ballard’s knee
    had hit out of bounds and Coughlin lost the challenge.




    “He’s in,’’ Coughlin said of the picture he saw. “Don’t ask me about that
    because I really don’t know why. I challenged the Ballard thing, no question
    about that one. I wasn’t not going to challenge that and have somebody tell me
    ‘You know he was in?’ ‘’ Read more...


    **

    GAME OF THE YEAR A DISAPPOINTMENT FOR TOM COUGHLIN AND NY GIANTS IN LOSS TO PACKERS

    Excerpt: "It had turned into what we thought it would be a few weeks ago, when the
    Giants were 6-2, still seeing themselves as a real contender in the NFC, as a
    team that could give Aaron Rodgers and the
    unbeaten Packers, the 17-in-a-row world champion Packers, a game at MetLife
    Stadium. We thought it might turn into the game of the year in pro football, and
    now that is exactly what it had become, 35-35, just under one minute left.



    The Giants had given the Packers all they could have ever wanted, given their
    fans some ride as day had become night at MetLife. Eli Manning had taken
    his team down the field and thrown another TD pass to Hakeem Nicks, then
    handed it to D.J. Ware for the two-point conversion, and just like that, the
    Giants were even with the best football team in this world.




    “We hung with them to the end,” Eli Manning would say. “Played our butts
    off.”

    PHOTOS: PACK TOO PERFECT FOR GIANTS




    Now they had tied the great Green Bay Packers, the same Packers who had not
    trailed in a fourth quarter all season long. After people said the Giants gave
    up on Monday night in New Orleans, they had played so hard, showed such life,
    put this amazing life into their stadium. This was going to be the best night of
    the whole season, the place believing that if the Giants could get to overtime
    they were going to make the Packers 11-1.




    In all corners of MetLife you better believe they knew the Cowboys had just
    lost to the Cardinals. But Giants fans really only cared about the game they
    were watching. One of those games. One of those game-of-the-year games. The
    Giants trying to hang one on the Packers. One loss after all those wins in a
    row.




    Oh man, it was loud now in Jersey. This was the team Giants fans thought they
    had a month ago, playing like this against the best player and the best team in
    their sport.




    Fifty-nine minutes and change in the books. Fifty-eight seconds from
    overtime.




    And then all the hope of this day and night, all the noise, all that life,
    began to seep out of Packers vs. Giants one Aaron Rodgers pass at a
    time." Read more...

    GIANTS CAN'T TAKE DOWN AARON RODGERS,NDEFEATED PACKERS, LOSE ON LAST MINUTE FIELD GOAL

    Excerpt: "They
    know from their own history what a loss such as this one can do. They know that
    a wave of momentum can be created by pushing an unbeaten team to the
    brink.

    Maybe some day this will seem like an important moral victory for
    the Giants.

    It just didn’t feel that way on Sunday night.

    “It
    feels like we lost four in a row,” Justin Tuck said after
    the Giants lost, 38-35, to the defending Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers
    at MetLife Stadium. “I’m sick to my stomach. And I hope all my teammates feel
    the same way.”

    It
    appeared that most of them did, despite their impressive effort against a team
    that has now won 18 straight games dating back to last December. Just six days
    after getting embarrassed in New Orleans, the Giants didn’t let the Packers
    escape the Meadowlands until Mason Crosby’s 31-yard
    field goal with no time remaining.

    It was an impressive rebound, to be
    sure, for a very undermanned Giants team. But the reality was that after the
    Giants tied the score with 58 seconds remaining on a 2-yard touchdown pass from
    Eli
    Manning
    to Hakeem Nicks and a
    two-point conversion run by D.J. Ware, Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers needed
    only two big pass plays to set up the game-winning field goal.

    When the
    kick was good, the Giants had lost their fourth straight game and turned their
    once-promising 6-2 start into a disappointing .500 record. Thanks to the Arizona
    Cardinals’ overtime win over the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants (6-6) are still very
    much alive in the NFC East, but they’re still one game back as they head into a
    division showdown in Dallas on Sunday night.

    “Obviously you can feel good
    about your effort, but you didn’t win,” said defensive end Dave
    Tollefson
    . “And that trumps everything.”

    “Obviously we can build on
    this momentum,” Tuck added. “But we let another one slip out of our fingers. It
    still hurts.”

    It hurts for a lot of reasons, including that the Giants
    wasted yet another terrific effort from Manning, who stood toe-to-toe with
    Rodgers, the likely NFL MVP, by completing 23 of 40 passes for 347 yards and
    three touchdowns. That included a tone-setting, 67-yard touchdown pass to
    little-used tight end Travis Beckum on the
    third play of the game. Rodgers completed 28 of 46 passes for 369 yards and four
    touchdowns. Each threw a costly interception that led to a touchdown as
    well.

    And despite losing his starting center two hours before kickoff
    when David Baas was scratched
    due to headaches, Manning was even on the verge of leading another
    fourth-quarter comeback. Trailing 28-24 entering the fourth, he helped the
    Giants pull within a point on a 50-yard Lawrence Tynes field
    goal after he just missed connecting with Nicks on what would’ve been a 32-yard
    touchdown pass.

    The Packers (12-0) reasserted control when Rodgers
    completed his second touchdown pass to Donald Driver, who
    barely got his feet inbounds with 3:34 remaining to give Green Bay a 35-27 lead.
    But Manning came out firing again, quickly moving to set up the Nicks touchdown.
    And when Ware added the two points on a shotgun draw, the game was tied and the
    Meadowlands was rocking.

    “I thought we were in pretty good shape,” Tom
    Coughlin
    said. “Fifty-eight seconds left, we should get that thing to
    overtime.”

    “We came in prepared to shock the world,” Tuck said. “I don’t
    think there was any time in the game where we didn’t feel like we were going to
    win the game.”

    But they didn’t because Rodgers quickly hit tight end Jermichael Finley
    for 24 yards. Then he found Jordy Nelson being
    covered by the recently signed Will Blackmon, who
    was filling in for the fatigued Prince Amukamara,
    and hit him for 29 yards to put the Packers well within range of the
    game-winning field goal. An 18-yarder to Gregg Jennings only
    made it easier.

    It was a disappointing end, especially for a defense that
    gave a much better effort after giving up 577 yards to the Saints six days
    earlier and earning a tounge-lashing from defensive coordinator Perry
    Fewell
    . The Giants gave up 449 yards, but generated a consistent pass rush
    on Rodgers, even with the injured Osi Umenyiora out.
    Still, as Coughlin said, “No solace in playing well and losing. We’re way past
    that.” Read more...

    GIANTS' BEST EFFORT NOT GOOD ENOUGH AGAINST DEFENDING CHAMPS

    Excerpt: "It was only moments after the Giants’ most excruciating loss of the season -
    when the defense finally crumbled under the pressure of trying to stop Aaron Rodgers - and
    Antrel Rolle was
    already predicting a rematch in the playoffs.



    That would be no earlier than the divisional round, which right now is quite
    a reach considering the Giants just lost their fourth consecutive game to fall
    to 6-6. Maybe the Giants were simply giddy after coming closer than any team to
    knocking off the undefeated Super Bowl champion Packers. Or maybe it was the
    Cowboys’ overtime loss in Arizona, which kept the Giants one game back in the
    NFC East going into the biggest game of the season Sunday night in
    Dallas.

    “We gave the Super Bowl champs a run for the money,” Rolle said.
    “And, you know, we will see them again. We will see them
    again.”



    I asked him if he told that to the Packers as the players left the field
    following Green Bay’s 38-35 victory. “I don’t need to tell them that,” he said.
    “They’ll see it when they see it. But they will see us again one way or
    another.”




    Of course, it would help if the Giants first make the playoffs before they
    book their flight to Green Bay in January. “We got a lot of work to do before we
    can start talking about that,” Justin Tuck said.




    If they had found a way to beat the Packers, they would have gone into Dallas
    tied for the division lead. That makes this loss hurt even more. “I don’t know
    if it can sting any more than it does. If you are in this business, at this
    level, and you lose, it is very difficult,” Tom Coughlin said.




    He told his players there was “no solace in playing well and losing. We are
    way past that.”




    It was an unusually upbeat locker room even though after the Giants tied the
    score with just 58 seconds left on Eli Manning’s 2-yard
    touchdown pass to Hakeem Nicks and D.J.
    Ware’s run for the two-point conversion, the defense couldn’t come up with a
    stop to send the game into overtime." Read more...

    BRADSHAW ABLE TO PUT BEST FOOT FORWARD, REVITALIZES RUNNING GAME IN RETURN FROM INJURY

    "Before it all began, Ahmad Bradshaw was
    just a bit nervous. The Giants’ tailback was determined to play on Sunday
    against the undefeated Green Bay Packers, but even he wasn’t sure if his broken
    foot would be able to handle the strain.



    Yet there Bradshaw was after the Giants’ 38-35 loss, getting dressed at his
    locker and moving without a limp.




    “I feel great, better than I thought I would be,” he said. “I think everyone
    thought I would be sore, not even able to walk. But I feel
    great.”



    And for at least one afternoon, the Giants’ ground game felt the same way.
    Bradshaw combined with Brandon Jacobs to
    bust Big Blue out of its rushing slump. The two backs keyed a Giants attack that
    rumbled for 100 yards for the fi
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    Thanks for the continued good work RF. The only problem today is that in every article I read, the final score is GB 38, NYG 35.

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    [quote user="chasjay"]Thanks for the continued good work RF. The only problem today is that in every article I read, the final score is GB 38, NYG 35.
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    Yes, but suppose it had been 38 - 3? We played hard and had we not had that interception, no fault being assigned, we'd likely have won.
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    thanks for the news Roanoke! always appreciated. [B]

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    Thanks RF !
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    [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="chasjay"]Thanks for the continued good work RF. The only problem today is that in every article I read, the final score is GB 38, NYG 35.
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    Yes, but suppose it had been 38 - 3?* We played hard and had we not had that interception, no fault being assigned, we'd likely have won.
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    tuff loss... but im a glass half full guys. i think the game yesteday will get the giants we needed confidence. i know its hard because they did lose. however it was close
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    thanks Ro...




    next week they have to beat the Cowpies......




    Hope we get to see yet another dejected JJ on the sidelines when the clock strikes 00

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    Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AMND GOSSIP, MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2011 - 9:40 A.M.

    [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="chasjay"]Thanks for the continued good work RF. The only problem today is that in every article I read, the final score is GB 38, NYG 35.
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    Yes, but suppose it had been 38 - 3? We played hard and had we not had that interception, no fault being assigned, we'd likely have won.
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    I was speaking tongue-in-cheek. No sniping from this corner - the team put out the effort. I agree that the pick-six was a load to overcome. That late three-and-out deep in our own territory hurt us as well.

    On to the Cowboys and start this 4-game season.

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    Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AMND GOSSIP, MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2011 - 9:40 A.M.

    [quote user="BigBlue1971"]thanks for the news Roanoke! always appreciated. [B][/quote]

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    Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AMND GOSSIP, MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2011 - 9:40 A.M.

    [quote user="chasjay"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="chasjay"]Thanks for the continued good work RF. The only problem today is that in every article I read, the final score is GB 38, NYG 35.
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    Yes, but suppose it had been 38 - 3? We played hard and had we not had that interception, no fault being assigned, we'd likely have won.
    [/quote]

    I was speaking tongue-in-cheek. No sniping from this corner - the team put out the effort. I agree that the pick-six was a load to overcome. That late three-and-out deep in our own territory hurt us as well.

    On to the Cowboys and start this 4-game season.
    [/quote]

    When you play a team like the Packers, you can't give them points and expect to overcome. But I was glad to see our guys come out to play and play hard.
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