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    <u>1st- Mike Adams, OT, OSU</u>


    Pass blocking: Tall, long, athletic pass protector. Generally gets
    out of three-point stance with good knee bend and a wide base. Improving
    his ability to use his hands to redirect rushers and late blitzers away
    from the pocket. Power rushers lose most battles, good anchor in close
    quarters, will reset hands and move feet to sustain. Stops his feet
    after initial contact at times, relying on length but allowing defender
    to get the corner or spin inside.


    </p>

    Run blocking: Solid positional run blocker who flashes some
    nastiness. Attacks his man when necessary, though he won't consistently
    dominate him and will lose his balance by overextending. Quick feet, can
    get inside of tackle to wall off inside and reach linebackers at the
    second level adeptly. Nice punch which he uses to knock down smaller
    defenders with one extension. Height a detriment in short-yardage plays,
    defender can get under his pads to hold the line. Flashes the ability
    to move his man with his hands, but is not yet consistent in this area.


    </p>

    Pulling/trapping: Best on the outside due to his height and
    athleticism, but is capable of blocking on the move if required.
    Effective in space as he usually drops his hips to get leverage and
    sustain against shorter defenders.


    </p>

    Initial Quickness: Obvious Quick-twitch movement off the snap in
    pass protection and as a run blocker. Finds defenders with his hands
    immediately and gets feet moving to engage and sustain. Can be beat off
    the edge, however, when coming out of his stance in panic to reach
    speedy wide rushers.


    </p>

    Downfield: Possesses the quickness out of his stance and footwork
    to be effective in front of screens. Willing to get out in front of
    ballcarriers to take out defensive backs and linebackers. Used at tight
    end on unbalanced lines, displays agility to reach the second level when
    uncovered in that role.
    </p>

    <u>2nd- Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall</u></p>

    Pass rush: Relentless and strong off the edge as a pass rusher when
    fresh. Gets under the pads of tackles to bull rush them into the
    backfield. Gives second and third effort to reach the passer. Uses his
    hands to swim past linemen. Struggles to beat cut blocks with his hands.
    Inconsistent get-off, stands straight up into his blocker and does not
    shed later in games. Plays a bit out of control, loses his balance when
    trying to shake tackles. Challenge interior linemen with quickness and
    strong hands when lined up inside.


    </p>

    Run defense: Chase defender outside, has good closing speed and
    hustle to get to ballcarriers running to or away from him. Works through
    multiple blockers to get to the ball, or at least force plays to other
    defenders. May take a false step inside on zone reads, but generally
    stays at home to keep containment.


    </p>

    Explosion: Usually comes off the snap in a hurry and very strong
    from either side of the formation. May not beat NFL tackles as a pure
    speed rusher, but will challenge their upfield shoulder. Quick enough to
    take inside lane if tackle guesses on speed rush. His initial quickness
    lets up later in games.


    </p>

    Strength: Plays with intensity and a nice anchor even when giving
    up 40-50 pounds against most blockers. Shows pop as a bull rusher.
    Stands up well against the run when lined up at five-technique, but must
    prove he has the bulk and strength to handle NFL linemen one-on-one or
    double-teams before moving inside.


    </p>

    Tackling: Possesses NFL-caliber length and strength as a tackler.
    Makes backside plays with regularity when zone schemes leave him
    unblocked. Gives great effort, following the ball to either sideline no
    matter where he is lined up. Adds himself to piles as the third or
    fourth defender. Spins off piles inside and finds the ballcarrier to
    drag him down.


    </p>

    Intangibles: Team leader, younger players look up to him.
    Positive attitude in the locker room, works well with the media. Hustle
    on the field reflects work ethic off the field. No major off-field
    incidents. Could have entered the draft in 2011 as a potential top 100
    pick, chose to return to "win a championship".
    </p>


    </p>

    <u>3rd- Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State</u></p>

    Pass blocking: Aggressive pass blocker with NFL-caliber length and
    thick frame. Plays with a wide base and locks onto rush ends with very
    strong hands. Few college defenders can bull rush against his strong
    anchor or get around his long arms to reach the quarterback. His pass
    pro technique needs work, however, and he stands up after the snap,
    lateral quickness is inconsistent, crosses his feet, and gets off
    balance too easily, giving up the corner against fast ends. Lacks
    recovery speed to prevent secondary rush if beaten in inside lane.
    Susceptible to holding calls when reaching or being a bit
    overaggressive.


    </p>

    Run blocking: Possesses a guard build, with a little extra girth
    in the middle, and is bulldozer as a run blocker inside. Uses strong
    upper body to latch onto and control any defender getting into his path.
    Finishes blocks. Agile enough to down-black the tackle then reach a
    linebacker waiting in the box. Will even jump towards a second target if
    he sees back coming through the hole. Need to work on getting low in
    short-yardage situations. Inconsistent cut blocker, more effective when
    getting down to prevent backside pursuit in run game rather than
    bringing down rushers on quick passes.


    </p>

    Pulling/trapping: Owns short-area quickness to trap, and will
    negate targets in that role, but is most effective when staying in tight
    quarters or moving straight-ahead off the snap. Would be limited to
    hitting first target and could get in running back's way if asked to
    pull.


    </p>

    Initial Quickness: Gets his massive frame moving more quickly
    than anticipated off the snap. Good explosion from three-point stance.
    Jumps inside to wall off defenders from inside lanes and is effective
    taking out tackle's shoulder on zone-blocking plays.


    </p>

    Downfield: Lacks great foot speed to adjust to smaller defenders
    but gives good effort to get to second level or further. Attacks targets
    and attempts to sustain instead of just punching. Bends at the waist,
    overextends while holding block in space but is generally effective due
    to his size and strong hands.


    </p>

    Intangibles: Plays with legitimate nastiness, gets after it on
    every play and will through the whistle if challenged. Smart player who
    called out blitzes, has changed positions in college, and works hard to
    improve every year.



    </p>


    </p>

    <u>4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy</u></p>

    Strengths: Has a tall, solid frame with adequate length and has done a
    nice job losing the bad weight and firming his body. Has a quick first
    step with fluid movements off the ball. A natural bender, staying low
    and using leverage to force his way into the backfield. Highly
    competitive and fierce, showing relentless effort to the pocket with a
    nonstop motor. Has very good awareness, keeping his head on a swivel
    with a good feel to quickly locate and react to the play. Tough as nails
    with a physical attitude and often attracts double-teams. An extremely
    hard worker in the weight room and doesn?t let up in practice. Versatile
    in college, lining up in several different spots, including moving to
    nose tackle over the center on third downs. Stayed durable over his
    career, starting the final 38 games of his collegiate career. Was
    productive at Cincinnati, especially as a senior when he led the
    conference in tackles for loss (21.5) and had career-highs in tackles
    (70) and sacks (9.5).


    </p>

    Negatives: Only average lower-body strength and
    struggles to anchor at the point of attack. Bit of a defensive
    end/defensive tackle ?tweener who struggles in traffic with multiple
    blockers, not always using his limbs effectively to disengage. Will
    allow his body to get too upright at times and needs to consistently
    keep his pad level down to be effective. Not a quick-twitch player and
    struggles to quickly change directions with some body stiffness. Has
    streaky hand placement and usage, abandoning his technique. Lacks a
    natural position and there will be some concerns as to where he will fit
    best at the next level.


    </p>


    </p>

    <u>5th- Vontaze Burfict, MLB, ASU</u></p>

    Read &amp; React: Brings good instincts to the middle of a defense,
    but his reaction time is what stands out for a player his size.
    Combining that reaction time with his speed results in crushing hits. A
    step late recognizing screens at times and can be fooled by misdirection
    in the offensive line because he relies on his keys.


    </p>

    Run defense: Between-the-tackles thumper with mike linebacker
    upper and lower-body builds, but also agile and quick enough to get
    through gaps to make plays in the backfield. Avoids lineman blocks in
    space with quickness, strong hands, and even a dip move, though he lines
    up seven yards off the line to see them coming. Also strong enough to
    anchor against lineman blocks; could be more consistent shedding to
    reach ballcarrier as he runs by.


    </p>

    Pass defense: Agile enough to attack throws in front of him when
    in zone, can make the big hit which separates the ball from his man.
    Taken out in nickel packages, though, as he lacks the suddenness to get a
    deep drop or handle jerk routes of quicker slot receivers. Must read
    the quarterback's eyes to jump and affect passing lanes if not getting
    home on the blitz.


    </p>

    Tackling: Explosive tackler who gets low to stop backs in their
    tracks. Plays like a downhill missile on most snaps, making huge hits
    that result in turnovers. Also brings down backs by their leg if
    slipping down during the tackle. Anchors quickly after inserting himself
    into a pile to prevent forward pushes. Capable of reaching either
    sideline on a given play, taking deep angles when needed to prevent the
    touchdown. Gets low to shoulder down college backs, but NFL ballcarriers
    may avoid those tackles. Misses some tackles when trying to intimidate
    with a lowered helmet or shoulder instead of wrapping up.


    </p>

    Pass Rush/Blitz: Used as a blitzer off the edge and up the
    middle, showing a lot of potential by pressuring quarterbacks into
    throws but rarely getting home (zero sacks in 2010). Explodes from his
    stance but lacks a variety of moves and does not use his hands to beat
    initial block. Athletic enough to jump over running back cut pass pro
    blocks, but should be able to bully them instead.


    </p>
    Round1: AA-Ron Donald, DT, Pitt
    Round2: Kareem Martin, UNC, DE
    Round3: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
    Round4: Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas
    Round5: Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor
    Round5: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers

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    I didn't like how weak Adams was in the bench press at the combine. To me, that suggests a lack of committment in the weight room, which is a red flag. He might have to be in an NFL strength program for a year before he is ready to play. So I wouldn't be crazy about picking Adams in the first.</P>


    I hate Burfict . . . in any round. </P>

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    I feel like we're one of the few teams that could whoop Taze into shape. If he isnt gonna listen to Poppa Coughlin fresh off of a SB Victory, then he shouldnt be in the NFL
    Round1: AA-Ron Donald, DT, Pitt
    Round2: Kareem Martin, UNC, DE
    Round3: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
    Round4: Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas
    Round5: Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor
    Round5: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers

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    [quote user="Kase-1"]I feel like we're one of the few teams that could whoop Taze into shape.* If he isnt gonna listen to Poppa Coughlin fresh off of a SB Victory, then he shouldnt be in the NFL
    [/quote]

    +1

    I wouldnt take him any earlier than the last pick in the 4th round.

    But we have a solid group of players who happen to be good people. Let Tuck, Cweb, TT, Kiwi, Boley, and company mentor the kid and get his head on straight and learn to play the game as a professional. one things for sure the giants could use his intensity(if he can control it)

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    Re: Kase-1 Post Combine Mock

    Burfict might not even get drafted.


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    I like the personel choices except for Burfict (he's a bust waiting to happen imo).

    Kelechi will probably not be available by the end of the 3rd.
    I have met you. You dont even look good in a winter coat let alone a wet t-shirt... -GameTime

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    [quote user="Kruunch"]I like the personel choices except for Burfict (he's a bust waiting to happen imo).

    Kelechi will probably not be available by the end of the 3rd.[/quote]

    not sure if anyones ganna be able to call him a bust. hes a lazy punk for sure. but hes prolly not getting drafted after the sub par season/combine/proday. so hes ganna end up being low risk high reward. now if he gets taken before the 6th round then someone gave up to much and hes a bust. IMO

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    [quote user="Kase-1"]<u>1st- Mike Adams, OT, OSU</u>


    Pass blocking: Tall, long, athletic pass protector. Generally gets
    out of three-point stance with good knee bend and a wide base. Improving
    his ability to use his hands to redirect rushers and late blitzers away
    from the pocket. Power rushers lose most battles, good anchor in close
    quarters, will reset hands and move feet to sustain. Stops his feet
    after initial contact at times, relying on length but allowing defender
    to get the corner or spin inside.


    </p>

    Run blocking: Solid positional run blocker who flashes some
    nastiness. Attacks his man when necessary, though he won't consistently
    dominate him and will lose his balance by overextending. Quick feet, can
    get inside of tackle to wall off inside and reach linebackers at the
    second level adeptly. Nice punch which he uses to knock down smaller
    defenders with one extension. Height a detriment in short-yardage plays,
    defender can get under his pads to hold the line. Flashes the ability
    to move his man with his hands, but is not yet consistent in this area.


    </p>

    Pulling/trapping: Best on the outside due to his height and
    athleticism, but is capable of blocking on the move if required.
    Effective in space as he usually drops his hips to get leverage and
    sustain against shorter defenders.


    </p>

    Initial Quickness: Obvious Quick-twitch movement off the snap in
    pass protection and as a run blocker. Finds defenders with his hands
    immediately and gets feet moving to engage and sustain. Can be beat off
    the edge, however, when coming out of his stance in panic to reach
    speedy wide rushers.


    </p>

    Downfield: Possesses the quickness out of his stance and footwork
    to be effective in front of screens. Willing to get out in front of
    ballcarriers to take out defensive backs and linebackers. Used at tight
    end on unbalanced lines, displays agility to reach the second level when
    uncovered in that role.
    </p>

    <u>2nd- Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall</u></p>

    Pass rush: Relentless and strong off the edge as a pass rusher when
    fresh. Gets under the pads of tackles to bull rush them into the
    backfield. Gives second and third effort to reach the passer. Uses his
    hands to swim past linemen. Struggles to beat cut blocks with his hands.
    Inconsistent get-off, stands straight up into his blocker and does not
    shed later in games. Plays a bit out of control, loses his balance when
    trying to shake tackles. Challenge interior linemen with quickness and
    strong hands when lined up inside.


    </p>

    Run defense: Chase defender outside, has good closing speed and
    hustle to get to ballcarriers running to or away from him. Works through
    multiple blockers to get to the ball, or at least force plays to other
    defenders. May take a false step inside on zone reads, but generally
    stays at home to keep containment.


    </p>

    Explosion: Usually comes off the snap in a hurry and very strong
    from either side of the formation. May not beat NFL tackles as a pure
    speed rusher, but will challenge their upfield shoulder. Quick enough to
    take inside lane if tackle guesses on speed rush. His initial quickness
    lets up later in games.


    </p>

    Strength: Plays with intensity and a nice anchor even when giving
    up 40-50 pounds against most blockers. Shows pop as a bull rusher.
    Stands up well against the run when lined up at five-technique, but must
    prove he has the bulk and strength to handle NFL linemen one-on-one or
    double-teams before moving inside.


    </p>

    Tackling: Possesses NFL-caliber length and strength as a tackler.
    Makes backside plays with regularity when zone schemes leave him
    unblocked. Gives great effort, following the ball to either sideline no
    matter where he is lined up. Adds himself to piles as the third or
    fourth defender. Spins off piles inside and finds the ballcarrier to
    drag him down.


    </p>

    Intangibles: Team leader, younger players look up to him.
    Positive attitude in the locker room, works well with the media. Hustle
    on the field reflects work ethic off the field. No major off-field
    incidents. Could have entered the draft in 2011 as a potential top 100
    pick, chose to return to "win a championship".
    </p>


    </p>

    <u>3rd- Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State</u></p>

    Pass blocking: Aggressive pass blocker with NFL-caliber length and
    thick frame. Plays with a wide base and locks onto rush ends with very
    strong hands. Few college defenders can bull rush against his strong
    anchor or get around his long arms to reach the quarterback. His pass
    pro technique needs work, however, and he stands up after the snap,
    lateral quickness is inconsistent, crosses his feet, and gets off
    balance too easily, giving up the corner against fast ends. Lacks
    recovery speed to prevent secondary rush if beaten in inside lane.
    Susceptible to holding calls when reaching or being a bit
    overaggressive.


    </p>

    Run blocking: Possesses a guard build, with a little extra girth
    in the middle, and is bulldozer as a run blocker inside. Uses strong
    upper body to latch onto and control any defender getting into his path.
    Finishes blocks. Agile enough to down-black the tackle then reach a
    linebacker waiting in the box. Will even jump towards a second target if
    he sees back coming through the hole. Need to work on getting low in
    short-yardage situations. Inconsistent cut blocker, more effective when
    getting down to prevent backside pursuit in run game rather than
    bringing down rushers on quick passes.


    </p>

    Pulling/trapping: Owns short-area quickness to trap, and will
    negate targets in that role, but is most effective when staying in tight
    quarters or moving straight-ahead off the snap. Would be limited to
    hitting first target and could get in running back's way if asked to
    pull.


    </p>

    Initial Quickness: Gets his massive frame moving more quickly
    than anticipated off the snap. Good explosion from three-point stance.
    Jumps inside to wall off defenders from inside lanes and is effective
    taking out tackle's shoulder on zone-blocking plays.


    </p>

    Downfield: Lacks great foot speed to adjust to smaller defenders
    but gives good effort to get to second level or further. Attacks targets
    and attempts to sustain instead of just punching. Bends at the waist,
    overextends while holding block in space but is generally effective due
    to his size and strong hands.


    </p>

    Intangibles: Plays with legitimate nastiness, gets after it on
    every play and will through the whistle if challenged. Smart player who
    called out blitzes, has changed positions in college, and works hard to
    improve every year.



    </p>


    </p>

    <u>4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy</u></p>

    Strengths: Has a tall, solid frame with adequate length and has done a
    nice job losing the bad weight and firming his body. Has a quick first
    step with fluid movements off the ball. A natural bender, staying low
    and using leverage to force his way into the backfield. Highly
    competitive and fierce, showing relentless effort to the pocket with a
    nonstop motor. Has very good awareness, keeping his head on a swivel
    with a good feel to quickly locate and react to the play. Tough as nails
    with a physical attitude and often attracts double-teams. An extremely
    hard worker in the weight room and doesn?t let up in practice. Versatile
    in college, lining up in several different spots, including moving to
    nose tackle over the center on third downs. Stayed durable over his
    career, starting the final 38 games of his collegiate career. Was
    productive at Cincinnati, especially as a senior when he led the
    conference in tackles for loss (21.5) and had career-highs in tackles
    (70) and sacks (9.5).


    </p>

    Negatives: Only average lower-body strength and
    struggles to anchor at the point of attack. Bit of a defensive
    end/defensive tackle ?tweener who struggles in traffic with multiple
    blockers, not always using his limbs effectively to disengage. Will
    allow his body to get too upright at times and needs to consistently
    keep his pad level down to be effective. Not a quick-twitch player and
    struggles to quickly change directions with some body stiffness. Has
    streaky hand placement and usage, abandoning his technique. Lacks a
    natural position and there will be some concerns as to where he will fit
    best at the next level.


    </p>


    </p>

    <u>5th- Vontaze Burfict, MLB, ASU</u></p>

    Read & React: Brings good instincts to the middle of a defense,
    but his reaction time is what stands out for a player his size.
    Combining that reaction time with his speed results in crushing hits. A
    step late recognizing screens at times and can be fooled by misdirection
    in the offensive line because he relies on his keys.


    </p>

    Run defense: Between-the-tackles thumper with mike linebacker
    upper and lower-body builds, but also agile and quick enough to get
    through gaps to make plays in the backfield. Avoids lineman blocks in
    space with quickness, strong hands, and even a dip move, though he lines
    up seven yards off the line to see them coming. Also strong enough to
    anchor against lineman blocks; could be more consistent shedding to
    reach ballcarrier as he runs by.


    </p>

    Pass defense: Agile enough to attack throws in front of him when
    in zone, can make the big hit which separates the ball from his man.
    Taken out in nickel packages, though, as he lacks the suddenness to get a
    deep drop or handle jerk routes of quicker slot receivers. Must read
    the quarterback's eyes to jump and affect passing lanes if not getting
    home on the blitz.


    </p>

    Tackling: Explosive tackler who gets low to stop backs in their
    tracks. Plays like a downhill missile on most snaps, making huge hits
    that result in turnovers. Also brings down backs by their leg if
    slipping down during the tackle. Anchors quickly after inserting himself
    into a pile to prevent forward pushes. Capable of reaching either
    sideline on a given play, taking deep angles when needed to prevent the
    touchdown. Gets low to shoulder down college backs, but NFL ballcarriers
    may avoid those tackles. Misses some tackles when trying to intimidate
    with a lowered helmet or shoulder instead of wrapping up.


    </p>

    Pass Rush/Blitz: Used as a blitzer off the edge and up the
    middle, showing a lot of potential by pressuring quarterbacks into
    throws but rarely getting home (zero sacks in 2010). Explodes from his
    stance but lacks a variety of moves and does not use his hands to beat
    initial block. Athletic enough to jump over running back cut pass pro
    blocks, but should be able to bully them instead.


    </p>[/quote]
    1st- Mike Adams, OT, OSU
    BPA at the NYG Biggest Need. good pick. i worry about his strength and work ethic. One 19 ont he bench scares me. he is athletic but needs to hit the weight and show a commitment to getting stronger.

    2nd- Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
    Good prospect who im high on. Id prefer C.Jones out of SU bc he can play DT & DE depending on situations. If curry can too then great bc hes a beast. just know more about Jones (cuse fan and grew up wrestling with his brothers johnny and art - Im bias)

    3rd- Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State
    I have Osemele going in the second. If you could get him at the end of the third then i think thats one of the big steals of the draft.

    4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
    Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)

    5th- Vontaze Burfict, MLB, ASU
    I tried to defend him and was hoping he would train for his Proday (he didnt) hes a punk and hes lazy. that being said i think he would do well in our defense bc of our strong leadership and no nonsense GM & Coach. The giants is a perfect situation for him. However i wouldnt waste a pick higher than a 7th on him and would jump on him if he goes Undrafted. but definetly not worth a 5th round spot.

    Overall i like your first 3 picks
    i like your forth pick but not with a DL in the second
    and Taze is far to high.


    B-



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    [quote user="GiantPride27"]

    4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
    Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary) [/quote]
    I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs. I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season
    Round1: AA-Ron Donald, DT, Pitt
    Round2: Kareem Martin, UNC, DE
    Round3: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
    Round4: Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas
    Round5: Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor
    Round5: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers

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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="GiantPride27"]

    4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
    Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary) [/quote]
    I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs.* I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season
    [/quote]

    i agree that marvin is a mystery and its hard not playing a down in two years. however, prior to his suspension he was considered a top 10 draft pick calibur player. a level of athlete and football player taht wolfe has never been. and im a firm believer that you have to give your players a chance before giving up on them. plus with rocky earned his spot last year. played well at in the limited action behind canty and joseph

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